" I would rather solve that puzzle & digest that content in my own time but that choice has been taken away."...people talk about how the hardcore are ruining this game with their entitlement but people like you prove that their are entitled brats on both sides that live in some deluded reality where the other group is somehow ruining it for them. How can you not solve this on your own? How can you not digest this content at your own pace? Who is wallking into your home and holding a gun to your head making you watch streams, youtube videos, or forum posts to potentially spoil it for you?? Who is holding you hostage and making you compete with anybody else? Why does someone else completing this before you somehow ruin the experience for you? Especially since you yourself said that most people dont care enough to solve it themselves, with what backwards logic do you not care about solving this but also at the same care so much that it "ruins" your experience?! You people are seriously out of touch holy shit. I got busy with work this past couple of weeks and havent been able to log on because of that. I didnt get all the iron banner gear i have yet to complete Scourge of the Past, i havent got Le Monarque , i most definitely didnt solve this puzzle and guess what....THATS FINE. Its a -blam!-ing video game, a god damn good one at that,im gonna get what i can done when i can and thats that im not gonna sit here and cry because other people in the world have more time to enjoy the game than me. If anything streamers and content creators pave the path for the majority of the playerbase because theyre the ones putting in the work to figure shit like this out and put the guides out. You sad little people come onto these forums demanding for your voices to be heard and tell Bungie to "get back in touch with the players" but you people cant even be bothered to solve an in game puzzle, lmao what the actual -blam!-?! And you want your feedback to be what dictates the direction of this game? What a joke...

Cheers for the expletive laden post - most enlightening. Yes you are fully entitled to your opinion as am I - but you could make your point without the thinly disguised anger/frustration. Bungie ask for feedback, the community (& yes that doesn’t just include people that agree with you) are entitled to voice their opinions without fear of being personally attacked.

The fact that you didnt acknowledge any of the points i brought up just proves mine and i think youre somehow trying to make it seem like i was being passive/aggressive or trying to act like i wasnt full on tearing your shitpost apart, when i was pretty upfront and expressive on how i was coming off as. You can have whatever shitty opinion you want but the second you decide to post it on here you open yourself up to have people call you out on your bullshit. Bungie asks for constructive criticism to better the quality of their product. They didnt ask for crybaby posts about how "other people completing the content before me makes me feel sad". Despite popular belief their are things called wrong opinions and stupid ideas.

I would love to know where the ‘constructive criticism’ is within your rambling anger fuelled responses. Yes I am completely free to solve the puzzle myself - after a YouTuber has already solved it bungie has said so. But there is no real incentive to do so, once unlocked the forge is accessible to all. So why would I shut my eyes, avoid social media & pretend no one has solved it so that I may gain some odd strange satisfaction in solving a puzzle who’s reward (the unlock) has already been given? Given the relatively short amount of time you yourself have available to play the game due to work commitments- tell me do you intend to spend the time you do have available to scratch your head in Niobe labs until you solve it or hang back let the tubers solve it then jump straight into Bergusia forge and shoot some hoops?

IM REPLYING TO YOUR POST, i put it in all caps so maybe itll make it through to you. All i did was comment on how ridiculous these posts have gotten, im not posting on here asking bungie to "get it together". "So why would I shut my eyes, avoid social media & pretend no one has solved it so that I may gain some odd strange satisfaction in solving a puzzle" ....Then what the -blam!- are you crying about? Should no one be allowed into the new forge until every destiny account has gone through and completed it themselves? I have yet to understand how someone else completing the puzzle will rob you of your experience or detract from it in any way, you sit on here and act like how you not being able to complete this puzzle on your own is such a huge deal to you and yet you dont care enough to go in there and keep trying to figure it out. Instead you come on here and point fingers at the "damn streamers" god forbid anyone have more free time to play than you. Personally i dont care that much about this puzzle, i am completely content with going in there after watching a guide and completing it for the first time myself. Me and Datto dont share an account so him completing it before me wont impact me in the slightest. Streamers beating raids dont beam visions of the encounters into my head upon completion, the loot doesnt just pour into my inventory, if someone went out and bought a copy of destiny tomorrow and beat vault of glass it would still be their first completion, thousands of people have beat it before them and it changes absolutely nothing. It all comes down to jealousy, there are people out there playing videogames for a living and it makes you mad, for some reason the enjoyment of others detracts from your own. You dont have the time or the know how in order to solve a puzzle in a videogame and so now its bullshit if anyone else can do it. Ive said my piece and quite frankly, im over it so if you dont get how ridiculous your post is then god help us all.

100% guarantee you won’t be solving it, you’ll be sitting there with your dick in your hand watching Gothalion or some other nerdy -blam!-wit solve it. Defeats the -blam!-ing object of Bungie making dumbass puzzles and secrets that most people don’t have the time or inclination to work out.