Those two guns were made for close range and they currently can't compete at the ranges ment for them. I would also not like to get outgunned at close range by pulse rifles when I play crucible
Edit: after playing with a 360 and 450 auto I noticed that they are more for mid-long range than close range and they are good but they do need more forgiving body to headshot ttk. Same thing goes for the other autos and smgs
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What about 600 rpm and 700?? They are atrocious. The ether Doctor crap unless u got a God roll with Rampage and Grave robber, Icaruis grip to offset recoil and increase aim when jumping. Foregone Conclusion?? Guiding Star??