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10/13/2018 1:42:24 PM
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That would make the choice between sniper and linear meaningless. Wouldn’t they be the same thing?
I like them in the heavy slot. Just my opinion
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Kinda like how the choice between regular Fusion Rifle and Shotgun is meaningless. You know, they're both short-range scatter weapons good at clearing groups but poor at range. ... Oh wait those two weapon types are actually fairly different and have different uses, like shotguns for single-target dps and fusion rifles for piercing damage. Kinda like how LFRs have improved body shot damage, making them better for breaking shields, while also compensating for their lower twitch factor given their charge time.
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You got me there my brother, I actually agree with everything you just said. My question is though what that play style of moving it to energy be viable? Because you have to think that it’s obviously not as powerful, and is the weapon going to be worth it? And at that point, what if it’s not worth it, now we just have excess traffic in the energy spot. I’m not trying to shit on your idea, I kind of feel at this point with all the bugs there are already let’s try and not fix something that’s not broken yet lol.
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“Other things are broken” is no reason to not propose other, long-term changes. Honestly, the fact that LFRs are their own weapon type, instead of just FRs with Precision Frame, is kinda perplexing. There wasn’t exactly a need to make Pulse Sidearms, they just sometimes put burst fire on them. Should be the same with FRs. Their defining feature is their charge time abd piercing capabilities. If I were responsible for changing LFRs, I’d lower their precision damage a tad, increase their hitbox size, and make them just a subset of regular FRs that favors single target damage over crowd control.
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Then wouldn’t the energy slot be crowded?
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Ignoring the fact that I fail to see how “more options” is a problem, if they were recategorized as just Fusion Rifles all of four (plus the two exotics, one of which should resoundingly stay Heavy) extra weapons would be added to the slot. Four. Only one of which can drop from year 2 sources.
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So then you’re preferring a play style? What I’m trying to say is once you move linear‘s out of heavy, what would be the difference in using a sniper or a linear fusion? Other than mechanics? You know if they move them out if heavy, linears are going to take a serious nerf to damage. I just think it makes sense with it in the heavy slot. There’s only four category types for heavy anyway.
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Can you think of a difference in weapons that can’t be boiled down to “difference in playstyle”? You just defined the core concept of there being different weapons. Again, LFRs have improved body shot damage over snipers at the expense of being significantly less twitch responsive. That’s a HUGE difference in style right there, and that’s not even factoring in the piercing effect intrinsic to them. They’d have as much overlap as Fusions and Shotguns now, or pulse rifles and scout rifles, or grenade launchers and rocket launchers, or sword and sidearms (they’re both comically useless at the moment.)
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Just answer the question, Are you saying that if they are in the energy slot they will be more relevant? If so why? That’s all I’m trying to figure out and I feel we’re just going in circles because there’s a slight possibility that you might be slightly offended at the fact I don’t agree with what you’re saying. So can we just cut the crap and get to the point good sir/ma’am. Lol
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I think they would see more play in the energy slot than the heavy, sure. They are essentially precision fusion rifles. The reason you might choose one over a sniper is due to the lower zoom, but that doesn't automatically make them the best choice every time. Why? Because they require a charge to fire. You sacrifice immediate firing for lower zoom. Making the charge times a bit longer could potentially balance them with snipers. Snipers benefit from better zoom ie better range and target acquisition, while linears benefit from lower zoom which means easier targeting. They both suffer due to their usage as well. Snipers require a headshot to kill in one hit and are flinched easily. Fusions require a charge time that can be countered fairly easily. One is not inherently better than the other, they both offer unique playstyles
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I would have to agree here. Well stated
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I did, if you bothered to read beyond the first sentence. LFRs being special weapons instead of heavy would give them greater access to ammo, and when compared to sniper rifles their higher base damage and hip fire accuracy give them clear advantages over snipers, while their poor rate of fire, lack of long-range scopes, and charge time would give them clear disadvantages. Just like when they were both heavy weapons two months ago.
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I get what you’re saying. Just forget it. You don’t want to hear what I’m saying. Pointless. Not gonna argue over it either. Have a good day Guardian
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Yeah but I don’t get what YOU’RE saying. What’s YOUR point? I’ve explained myself, repeatedly, and I’m still kinda flummoxed by your opinion. If you even have one, and weren’t just arguing for no reason.
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Sigh. Be honest, do you know anything about building guns or weapons? It’s perfectly fine if you don’t, I don’t know if you’re a gun owner or not, or if you’re versed at building understanding the way weapons work. But if you did, then I guess maybe you would have a different perspective of my questions. I think the way the weapons are built, barrel, chamber, trigger, stock etc. , That it makes more sense that snipers are in energy and why they chose to lead linear’s in heavy. I’m not saying that I agree that’s where they should be, I’m trying to say that that is where it makes the most sense.
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“I build guns IRL, which means I know how to balance fictional laser guns in this science-fantasy video game.” Like... if that’s really the extent of your opinion, I’ve wasted my time, because you are completely insane. Those two skills, not even remotely comparable. Come back with a position based on the foundation of this video game being a video game and not a gun show, or stop wasting my time with inane replies. Either’s fine.
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And btw Einstein, Bungie openly admits their research on real life weapons as influences to their own designs. They even went to an archery range to figure out how BOWS should feel. So maybe it’s you who needs to understand the foundation of things. Butt hurt little baby. Keep crying.
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Just like I thought. You took my words and flip them around and took offense. This is all about the fact that you were butt hurt that I did not agree with your opinion. Get real. Own it. And grow up. Goodbye
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You’ve yet to present an actual argument. How can I be mad at you disagreeing with me when, by your own admission, you don’t have one. You literally said “I don’t agree, that’s just how it is.” Because your only goal during this whole argument was proving yourself smarter. Which you’ve failed at, miserably, because at no point have you formulated or defended a position, and your only recourse has been going “You just don’t like me ‘cause I disagree with you! Wah!” Talk about needing to grow up. It’s not about you. It’s about your lack of argument. At best, you’ve attempted an appeal to authority. And even then, the authority was just you being a gun nut. I’m not mad, I’m just disappointed.
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Gun nut?? HOW?? Lmao because I said I knew about them? That’s you’re evidence? And that’s what your perspective deems worthy of considering a nut?? Holy brainwash!!! Hahaha Now that I know what type of mentality I’m dealing with..... Fantastic perspective. Way to put people in a box with that social conditioning and spewing that amount of regurgitation. How predictable. Take responsibility. Grow up. It’s obvious you take no responsibility for anything because you said I was wasting your time. Sorry pal, you are engaging willingly in a conversation the only person you have to blame is yourself. Seems like we have another person who is so socially conditioned and has forgotten how to have a conversation and not get butt hurt. I stated my point and I stated my opinion clearly. You didn’t like it that I disagreed with you or that I had an opinion. I didn’t say anything offensive and I didn’t at all come at you. Go ahead go play the victim again.
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Well yea because your explaining things that everyone knows so to be honest I don’t know what you else you want me say. You have not mentioned gun builds. The way the actual gun is built, you know parts. That’s why I think you maybe don’t realize why it should be heavy, just from a design perspective.
