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Edited by Spawn: 10/10/2018 6:49:19 PM
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Bringing Sniping Back in Destiny 2! (To: Sandbox Team)

Sandbox Team. With the next few updates I think a large portion of the community would be really happy to see some positive changes for snipers in the crucible. In today's meta, the strength, range, ammo advantages, and overall usability of shotguns make them a clear choice as the superior weapon. Many of us want to branch out and use snipers but with how they work in the game today... it's just not realistic. - [b]Flinch[/b] I think anyone who has attempted to snipe in the past few weeks will tell you that the flinch on snipers in unreasonably bad. The maps are already small but even when you are far enough away and well within "sniper" range, a handcannon shot from across the map can still send your reticle into the sky. I think most of us don't mind how powerful pulses are in the current meta but a sniper should be the better choice at longe ranges... and right now it's clearly not. Also, horizontal flinch is probably one of the most frustrating game mechanics and makes all snipers feel very flimsy. - [b]Handling[/b] If you put Destiny 1 back into your console and pull out a sniper, you'll immediately notice that holding one feels much different. It doesn't have the sluggish feeling that most snipers in Destiny 2 (Note: on console) - [b]Scopes[/b] Small maps in Destiny 2 is fun. It keeps the gameplay exciting knowing there are always enemies right around the corner. The fact that snipers are long scoped, high zoomed weapons makes them really tough to use in most situations. Most lanes are not more than a few hundred feet, so using a long range scope on these maps is about as useful as trying to use a telescope to read a book. It's just unnecessary and does more harm than good. - [b]Aim Assist / Hitbox Size[/b] I truly believe that you can fix snipers even if you only touch ONE of these two things. If you want to argue that snipers shouldn't have aim assist and everyone should just [i]get good[/i] that's fine but then we need to increase the size of the hitbox. Just play a game with a sniper or watch someone else do it. The amount of times that you will get a body shot that you thought was a headshot is far too often. Watching the clips back in slow motion, I really think the hitbox is just too small. That combined with the flinch means that you will lose most 1v1's where the other player is looking your general direction. - [b]Damage[/b] Imagine you hear a super pop, you are aware of their location, manage to escape, gain some distance, turn around and make an incredible play to headshot them. To your dismay, sniping a sentinel / hammer / nova warp in the head only for them to notice you and then proceed to wipe the floor with you using their super is frankly just defeating. You did everything right, you made the right decisions, the skilled play, and still lost. Sniper headshots should kill supers. Enough said. In conclusion, there is currently not a single situation in the game today where a sniper is the better choice for the everyday player. Up close you will lose to shotguns, sidearms, fusions, etc. At range you will lose to pulses, scouts, and even handcannons. Note: Just because you can get kills with a sniper doesn't mean that it's the better option. Just look at the use rates for snipers. Almost non-existent. I hope you take this as genuine feedback from a long time supporter who loves the game. You've made a lot of strides in the past year and the snipers in the community are ready to make those legendary plays. We don't want easy mode, we want a chance... to make the legendary plays that made us fall in love with the game back in Destiny 1. Please upvote this and hopefully @dmg is reading this and will pass it along to the sandbox team. [spoiler]Moderator edit: This thread has been moved to #Feedback forum so that other Destiny players can weigh in.  [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/139533839/0/0] See Cozmo's thread here[/url] for more information about the #Feedback tag and its uses. Feel free to private message the moderator who moved your post, link to topic for further clarification about why this topic was moved.[/spoiler]

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  • no flinch please... i only get kills with people not shooting me.

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    • Geek!!!

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    • No. Flinch is FINE. If you can't handle it, you're a bad sniper. You shouldn't be able to 1 hit a super. That's a ridiculous concept. If you can't find good sniping spots, it's your fault. Every map has at least 2 sniper lanes.

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      • Im all for it but the hit hox suggestion is a big no. First of all look up iam coolguys new video on flinching. As you get flinched your reticle actualy moves you closer to the hitbox of enemy. The biggest isdue snipers have are maps. 95% of current maps are mid to cqc weapon friendly. Snipers should be something that require some kind of skill. Make them too strong and watch the meta change to camping snipers which would be as mundane as D2 vanilla meta with midas and uriels. If you look at the current meta now the highest weapon which is ACE is only on top with 8% and there is only one shotgun at 6% in 3rd place. Prior to the big sandbox update before forsake graviton lance was on top with something like 32%,v.wing in 2nd place with 13% then some other bullshit to round of the list. I use sidearms and shotguns mostly, fusions and snipers require more skill thats all.

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      • I join Geekermon !!!

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      • Geekermon is right sniping is just gone from d1

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      • I consider the big problem is the map design. The few choke points we have are not really very transited due to the map design itselft. There way too many flank points to get shot at while hardscoping a chokepoint. Worst if you are in the mid ranges withn the map. Which anyway you willl get shottied or pulsed to death.

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      • i snipe so often and i honestly dont agree with anything besides the hitbox registration. it is extremely small and the reticle slowdown seems to fade if you dont quickscope. drag scopes are really inconsistent. but other than that i lovw the long zoom. i use a long zoom scope. they have their powers. my issue is the amount of corners and lack of lanes on most maps. i don't want sniping to be something everybody can do. theyve buffed then twice now and ive had to adjust to them 3 times now because of it. its just annoying.

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      • Edited by Tis-but-a-scratch: 10/12/2018 12:27:24 AM
        No snipers sniping in Crucible. Snipers are not CQC weapons. The sniper meta was the worst. If I round the corner the same time you round the other corner, say 20-30 ft away and I am filling you full of bullets, there is no way you should kill me with one shot from a sniper. You shouldn't even be able to find me in the scope. And just to be clear, I absolutely despise shotguns.

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      • This whole thing is bullshit, not one word of it is factual, there is already enough mysterious one shot shit going on with full overshields. Cheaters are -blam!-ing rampant. I have been point blank shot in the head from around the corner with snipers so many times i have lost count, they are using the unskilled players as cannon fodder for streamers like this dude. Who is by far the most fake person I have ever seen in my life. Funny how he plays it off as this super friendly dude yet won't tell people about the cheating going on. Or the fact of why he never faces people anywhere near as good as he is. This game is done they had their chance they chose the Mao path of do what i say or else, and now they will burn for it.

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        • Snipers are not meant for trading blows, they are meant for sniping as the name implies. And by definition 'snipe' is to shoot at someone from a hiding place, especially accurately and at long range. Ideally sniping should be done either when your enemy has not yet seen you, or as a 'pop up' or camping tactic. Snipers imo are a shoot first ranged option not a go-to primary The maps are not sniper catering but there are spots on most maps that can be used to a snipers advantage. Picking off heavy campers for one

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          • hell no

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          • Didnt you already quite good with SR? Ive watched your video and obviously you are good with it or maybe the real reason you are suggesting this tweak because you are loosing to Kruzer? :D

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          • Why should snipers one hit kill a super when most of the time they eat rockets Even fusions can’t 1hk most of the time when in super

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          • The real lowdown: 1. Use a high impact sniper to kill supers. 2. Use sniper flinch armor. 3. Snipe where appropriate or develop close range sniping skills 4. Aim for the head, if you miss you miss your change you miss your chance. You should not be able to consistently eat bullets to the face and still headshot someone. 5. not all snipers are created equal, even those in the same archetype. Find one that best suits you. Don’t just rely on stats. 6. Pair your sniper with an appropriate kinetic or energy weapon. This can change depending on which map. My personal favorite varies between two types of sidearms. Although smgs are nice too.

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            • Can I add 1 more sniper bullet to starting pvp ammo on spawn? I’d really like that too

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            • Edited by x Deathcraft x: 10/11/2018 6:07:21 AM
              I'd prefer we go back to the Destiny 1 Scopes, when I changed my scope back then the zoom actually changed. The only change now though it the overlay, & the zoom stays the exact same. It tries to trick your eye but can't. I don't care about anything else with snipers but I miss the lower zoom.

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            • from what ive seen and done since forsaken dropped, sniping is fine imo.

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            • I just think they need bigger maps. Sniping is fine where it is.

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            • remove all forms of pvp from the game and destiny would improve 1000%

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              • I’ll upvote, for years I’ve watched a streamer who I consider one of the best snipers in d1 and d2 , he has been using a shotgun more than a sniper in the last couple weeks 😭

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                • I think there flinch sucks and ammo economy sucks

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                • Edited by Chubbums: 10/11/2018 12:37:49 AM
                  Naw, snipers are fine. Play ranged, it's not meant for CQC. You shouldn't be rewarded a kill for camping a lane against a super, especially ones that don't have a means to attack from range. You played it wrong by thinking you'd be the hero instead of using teamwork to take it down. People love to talk about how sniping takes skill yet they ask for more and more buffs to make it easier to do so.

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                • Woah its papa geekermon. I do miss sniping tho. I want my last word and sniper back :(

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                • Sniping is already back. Just equip a good sniper and you'll have ammo right away at the start of a match.

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                • Flinch is fine. I’m tired of seeing people complain about it. If anything it needs to be increased. I’ve nailed people left and right in the head nonstop and they can still snipe. This means more flinch. If I’m sniping and I see it flinch, it’s time to switch weapons and move from that spot.

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