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Last Enemy Race Standing?

Fallen

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Hive

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Vex

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Cabal

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Taken

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Other

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With 5 (and eventually more) different enemy fronts we have to face, at some point we're going to eliminate one of these races either to the point that they are no longer a threat, or until none remain. So, who do we think will take the most time to finally put down? [spoiler]Note: This doesn't mean the most dangerous race, just which one would be capable of lasting till the end.[/spoiler] [b]Fallen:[/b] We've decimated the Fallen enough to where Pre-Red War they shouldn't have been any more of a minor threat, but afterwords they've begun to become more of a pest. It's implied that multiple Fallen Houses have joined together to combat the Red Legion, including the House of Kings, so it's safe to say that they can still put up a fight if necessary. With Forsaken coming up and the Scorn lore slowly surfacing, the Fallen are less of pirates and more like space cockroaches. [b]Hive:[/b] Probably the only race capable of taking Guardians in a head on fight and winning, the Hive's sheer numbers and the strength of their Ascendants makes them extremely formidable. Even after killing off Oyrx's entire family sans his siblings, and even slaying a Worm God, the Hive haven't shown any sign of slowing down. With Savathun being heavily implied to be the next major Hive enemy taken out though, we can assume, but cannot properly predict, that they'll stay down longer if she's slain. [b]Vex:[/b] We know lots about the Vex yet almost nothing at the same time. For trans-temporal murderbots with planetary sized reality warping engines, there's a reason why we can't easily wipe them from existence and vice versa. We've slayed the Black Heart on Mars to lock out their potential paracausal natures, ruined their reality bending testing ground known as the Vault of Glass, and later ruined their planetary prediction engine by deleting Panoptes. Unlike the Hive though, we have no idea just how high their Axis commanders go, their exact origins, or if we've made any legitimate dents in their army beyond D1's vanilla campaign & raid. Since this race was capable of holding their own in the Hive's Ascendant Realm for seemingly centuries, they're certainly a threat till the end. [b]Cabal:[/b] Though generally big, tough, and stupid, the Cabal aren't a threat for just their brawn alone. They are cunning enough with the right commanders in place to even take down the City with a surprise ambush as seen with the Red Legion. Calus, being the former emperor of the Cabal, is another example of their surprising intelligence, being capable of crafting and maintaining large destructive devices such as the Leviathan and the Almighty and knowing of powers beyond the Traveler's reach. We don't know too much about their current hierarchy or their overall size of their army, but being the only natural enemy comprised of multiple races (Psions, War Beasts, etc), they're certainly capable of lasting if we don't take any fights to them. [b]Taken:[/b] Being directly corrupted by the Deep itself in some still relatively unknown method, the Taken can be created from any former race in large quantities by those that can Take, either through the Tablets of Ruin or some other possible method we have yet to see. Since only the original members of the Hive (Oryx, Savathun, and possibly Xivu Arath) can currently use this power, it's implied that the Taken will only diminish once the Hive is exterminated, as far as we know of course. [b]Other:[/b] There are still other races/factions currently out there that are our enemies, but we don't know enough about them atm so see how long they'll be around. The Scorn, the Pyramid ships, the Shadows of Yor, possibly even The Nine are all possible or confirmed factions to face later down the line. How long they'll last though is up in the air so far. Feel free to discuss which race will make it to the endgame with us. Personally, I think the Vex have the best odds so far by looking at how little we know of them despite 2 game's worth of lore.

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  • I would say the cabal because Calus is likely to be our ally. Hes smart enough to join the obviously stronger and winning side. Unless something like the Vex wipes them out, I dont see guardians wiping them out. Otherwise, the Vex. Those guys are scary to say the least. The Vault? The Forest? The Pyramidion? [spoiler]yikes[/spoiler]

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  • The fallen can survive anything they are strong and capable allies.

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  • Randal the Vandal. Nuf said.

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    • tbh... even if we DID destroy/excommunicate/integrate the other factions in our solar system... it wouldn't really do much. Why? Because the lore is greatly expanded beyond merely our own solar system. Sure, the GAME is in the origin system, but the Hive, Cabal, Vex are all equally spoken about to have been to THOUSANDS OF WORLDS. The taken, actually, are equally as almost omnipotent. The taken are not only the taken forces from our solar system, but there are taken that exist BEYOND our solar system. Oryx is recorded to have used the Taken in a millenia long war against a different race that had the traveler, utilizing the Taken to doom them to extinction. By our numerous obversations… the Taken don't seem to 'disappear' after their uses or purpose is used up... or even their leader. They start to reform, become self willed, at least until a stronger hive will comes along and retakes control. SIVA was said to have been sent deep into uncharted space by a grimoire card. If THAT SIVA managed to, inadvertantly, gain the commands from rasputin... we could be dealing with a more infections, but less multi dementionable, type of 'Vex enemy'. As in, they corrupt everything. Who knows... perhaps they can make a new replication complex... they were 'supposed' to be able to create anything... The weakest link, obviously, is the Fallen. A foreshadowing of our own future if we sucumb to the darkness. There isn't much told about their past besides the fact they had the Whirlwind and a once great civilization. However, thers is little to no mention of their crusades, struggle, or even origin OUTSIDE of our solar system. Which is strange... Perhaps they've just forgotten? Just how old are the Fallen anyway? Have they been around for tens of thousands of years? Anyway, we can safely assume that the Fallen are not going to 'dissappear' in a way we might exterminate the Vex or Hive. They seem to be under the realm of 'integration' where they are capable of re-evaluating their own values in order to survive. Co-existance being one of those learned values. -- That's just my take on it. Personally, I think all of these enemies and factions are still simply distractions. The game's overarching plot will not resolve by their destruction or excommunication. Rather... it'll be at the next collapse. At the next engagement between the Light and Dark. THAT will be the end game of D3. Once the darkness has returned... it won't need it's pawns anymore. The defeat of any of the factions will become irrelevant eventually. That's, imo, is the inevitable scenario we face at the end of the Destiny franchise.

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      • Pointless argument. Vex, hands down. Has it even been confirmed the whole game isn’t just one of their simulations? The whole destiny franchise might be some sick alien Truman show.

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        • Edited by Hazuki: 7/27/2018 5:12:52 PM
          I've gotta say, you forgot about SIVA. But I digress. Probably Hive/Fallen for me. The Fallen, despite being pounded into nonexistent pebbles always manage to sneakily pull themselves back. As for the Hive, well, in a nutshell: Guardian: *Kills Hive/Taken higher-up commando* "Finally! _____ has been defeated!" Enemy Hive/Taken Player: *Pulls out another Hive/Taken Grimoire Card out of deck* "Sorry, but you've just activated my trap card!" Guardian: *Sees trap card* "No! This was supposed to be my grand finale! It can't be!" Enemy Hive/Taken Player: "It is! Say hello to Dark Magician Gi -- oh wait, wrong line -- Savathun, Sister of Oryx, whose role is only important after two years of existence in a grimoire card! It's all over! I've won! Muahahahahahaaah!"

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          • TESS EVERVERSE AND VENN CHURCH WHOEVER THE HELL HE IS WILL MURDER EVERYONE AND SURVIVE LIKE COCKROACHES TILL THE END OF TIME!

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            • Easily the Vex. Every other race would take time to raise and train fighters. The Vex are just like *blormf* and there's a new army from some other point in time. Every race, you'd need to wipe out all of them that exist in this point in time. But the Vex, you'd need to wipe them out of time all together.

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            • For me it's either the taken or the vex. The taken are pretty straightforward to explain with their paracausal nature being in many ways the equal to our own guardians But the Vex have their own reality shaping powers too and I guess a form of time travel in the shape of the infinite forest so can the Vex truly be defeated?? I don't think I could pick a winner between the two though as lore wise they are quite evenly matched

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            • Taken. Their interdimensional and can be brought back over and over and over.

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              • Hive have my vote.

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                • We all know that in the end the real last one standing is gonna ZYLOK THE DEFILED and KEKSIS THE BETRAYED.

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                • I think the guardians will be the last race standing ..

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                • Every race but the Hive have understandable motives; even the Vex. They all have known, exploitable weaknesses and suffer greatly when pitted against each other. The Hive, however, are more like a dark reflection of humanity. They draw their power from an outside source to give them supernatural powers and manage to surprise every foe they encounter. Their only weakness is bullets but they seem to be able to breed far faster than we can kill them. When the Taken have erased the Vex, when the Taken's last numbers are wiped out, when the Cabal murder each other for power, and when the Fallen ally themselves with us; the only enemy festering in every corner of the universe will be the fury that is the Hive.

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                  • I say the vex but what I really want to know is how those tetrahedral ships and whatever is housed in them fits in with everything and how they interact with all the races. What can pose a threat beside the traveler? Would the hive join forces? Would they be hell bent on just destroying everything? So many questions

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                  • My vote is the Hive. Too many Ascendants we might not even know about, plus Savathun and Xivu Arath. Can’t forget about Urzok, the Hated either. [spoiler]Whatta bitch. [/spoiler]

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                    • Ultimately looking at the game if i were able to make an outcome myself i'd have Fallen and cabal becoming allies.. think about we put down Gaul and Serviced the previous emperor and deemed our selves worthy.. i dont know if calus will gain back controll of the cabal but chances are we've left them atleast in our solar system weak. I dont see the cabal as being complete idiots they make huge ships that traverse space at some point they should come to a conclusion that instead of trying to conquer they should join forces. Now fallen there is not much left of them.. and its better for them to join up with any race that will let them survive.. now all this is me throwing ideas in the air but could you imagine playing as a cabal or a fallen.. i dont think hive will be ever join forces unless the worms can be beaten in to ground and to that extent they would need to be decimated.. because of the hive need to fight and kill (sword logic) they probably wont be our friends any time soon .. as far as vex its pretty much in there programming to assimilate everything and unless that can be changed then there is no chance of them becoming allies.. i wish COS was better like what if the forest was able to teach us more about the vex and what and where they come from and by exploring it you could get a piece of clarity on there objective .. and the taken to me are pretty much the same as hive ..

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                    • Cabal the phalanxes will just slam us

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                    • The romans fell. We’ve killed a couple hive gods already. Fallen are resourceful and smart but also just scavengers. Vex are everywhere at any time. Unless we kill their sources, vex will be here forever

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                    • The Vex. We know nothing about where the Vex came from, or what is at the center of their hive mind. They scare me big time

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                    • I say vex and here is why. Lots of ppl in this thread say once we get to the heart of the one mind we can stop them. However due to their ability to time travel, it's not a just a matter of where that heart lies, but when also. My take on the Vex is this. They are either us from a far distant future or we somehow led to their development (think deep stones crypt and the exos). The exo stranger could blink in and out of our time line like a vex could. There is some connection between the Bray family and the Vex. If the Brays or humanity in general are involved there may be no way to ever eradicate them as it would potentially create a paradox. Also consider this, if the vex creations have been on Mars for millions of years why did they never in known history invade earth? I say it was to prevent us knowing about them, to prevent a paradox. Being time travelers they would have known what was going to transpire when the Traveler arrived and they could have very easily invaded earth when we were still proto humans with no resistance at all. So as long as there is humanity there will be Vex!

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                      • Since the Vex can time travel I would say they could just sit back and let everyone fight it out till the last being standing, then the Vex time jump in to wipe out the last ones alive. You could argue this is a cheat but all is fair in love and war.

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                        • Edited by Combat Mind: 7/14/2018 10:48:14 PM
                          Hmmm, I would say Vex/Hive, however from what we learned in CoO, 2/3 endings end bad for the Vex. I’m going to say that the ones that do survive is the enemy race that comes with IT, or the Hive, if Bungie [i]really[/i] wants to do it that way. Edit: I was thinking about it, and I think it would be a cross of Vex and Fallen. Fallen are kind of like ants, you can kill their anthill, you can kill lots of them, but you can never find or kill the last couple.

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                        • The Fallen are on the ropes already. Their unification is an act of final, great desperation. The Cabal have the most frightening tech, but they're constrained by the laws of physics. The Hive are numerous and seem unstoppable, but we've killed three of their most powerful champions in Crota, Oryx, and Xol. I think we can handle them. Hunting down the Taken is near impossible, because they can travel transdimensionally. But only a few beings can reproduce them. We kill them, the Taken stop coming. The Vex have transdimensional travel, time and probability manipulation, planet sized machines, and a seemingly limitless supply of powerful minds. It's amazing they haven't obliterated us already.

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                        • Vex are th me final outcome in the infinite spectrum. But those damn taken psions keep splitting

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