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Im for boycotting all activision products. We need to show the gaming industry we are not going to be pushed around anymore
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  • [quote]Im for boycotting all activision products. We need to show the gaming industry we are not going to be pushed around anymore[/quote] Then you better also boycott EA, 343, Ubisoft, Blizzard, 2K, Bethesda, Bioware, Capcom, etc.

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  • Good luck. I hope you enjoy playing Mario the rest of your life. Name a successful, current game, that doesnt have micro transactions?

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  • [quote]Muted for stupidity[/quote] You said: We need to show the gaming industry. I simply provided other developers that also have microtransactions. But [i]I[/i] am stupid? Lmao

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  • They may have microtransactions but its not the bulk of the end content within the game. Destiny is a looter game but if everything is behind a pay wall... that restricts the entire point of the game. Imagine if diablo 3 had loot boxes and when they released an expansions nearly all of the added items were put being a pay wall.. and xp was throttled (then doubled in terms of amount needed) which made the grind ridiculously long. you named some many companies above... but from what Ive seen those games fit in one of two categories 1) the microtransactions are purely cosmetic and also not the focus of the game. 2) the microtransactions exist, and may be randomly rolled, but the game is free. both or either existing on a game like destiny is terrible because of again one of two scenarios 1) you can get the item.. if you spend enough money. Whats the achievement in that? great you have it... no story behind it. I think most will agree that earning the item in destiny is definitely half the fun. 2) or it just simply isnt accessible- in terms of like a limited time even such as the dawning, if you dont get enough loot boxes to give you the drops you should be getting (all) then youre out of luck. At least if it was achievable through normal game play but accessible to those who do it nobody could complain

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  • [quote]They may have microtransactions but its not the bulk of the end content within the game. Destiny is a looter game but if everything is behind a pay wall... that restricts the entire point of the game.[/quote] You earn a bright engram every time you level up. Every week you get an xp bonus that increases level up speed for the first 3 levels. They [b]only[/b] items locked behind a "pay wall" are ones that are available during this dawning event. Even thoughs you are given 12 per account for free. This is not the same as other games with microtransactions that lock items so that they can literally only be purchased with money. [quote]Imagine if diablo 3 had loot boxes and when they released an expansions nearly all of the added items were put being a pay wall.. and xp was throttled (then doubled in terms of amount needed) which made the grind ridiculously long.[/quote] I have never played Diablo 3, so I asked a co-worker his opinion and he said: XP is throttled in diablo 3 once you hit a high level. On Rhykker's YouTube there are links about how Diablo 3 will possibly be getting loot boxes. Also, when the game released it had a real money auction house. [quote]you named some many companies above... but from what Ive seen those games fit in one of two categories 1) the microtransactions are purely cosmetic and also not the focus of the game. 2) the microtransactions exist, and may be randomly rolled, but the game is free.[/quote] So, you are using these examples to argue your point that microtransactions are ok in other games besides destiny? Your number 1: There is literally nothing obtained from Eververse that will give you any advantage over another player. Everything (except for a limited time event) can be obtained by literally just playing the game. Literally everything that you do gives you experience towards Bright Engrams. Everything in Eververse is purely cosmetic. Now, let's look at the examples that I gave: [quote]Then you better also boycott EA, 343, Ubisoft, Blizzard, 2K, Bethesda, Bioware, Capcom, etc.[/quote] EA: Madden 2018 [spoiler]https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/691088-xbox-one/75710237[/spoiler] In order to obtain the max ranking for your team you are required to purchase cards. There is no other way to obtain said cards. 343: Halo 5 The only "endgame" items to obtain in halo 5 are purely cosmetic armor, and weapons for one time use in Warzone. Both obtained with req packs. Which can be purchased. This allows anyone the ability to literally purchase every unlockable item in the game... Ubisoft: Assassin's Creed Origins [spoiler]https://gamerant.com/assassins-creed-loot-boxes/[/spoiler] Has both loot boxes, and items that can literally only be obtained with real money. Blizzard: World Of Warcraft [spoiler]https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20420212723[/spoiler] You purchase the game, pay a monthly subscription, and there are still items only obtainable by using real money. 2K: NBA2K18 [quote]https://www.google.com/amp/s/kotaku.com/nba-2k18-is-riddled-with-microtransactions-1818554307/amp[/quote] Literally pay to win. Bethesda: skyrim /fallout 4 / quake [spoiler]https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/M0aV9hAi-bethesda-went-from-one-of-my-fave-game-studios-to-my-most-despised-now[/spoiler] Reducing the capability of modders, and also now charging for mods. Also, quake has skins that are only unlockable via money purchases. Bioware: Mass Effect [spoiler]https://www.google.com/amp/www.eurogamer.net/amp/2017-10-23-manveer-heir-bioware-mass-effect-ea-monetisation [/spoiler] In the article it explains that someone spent literally 15,000,000 on microtransactions. Need I say more? Capcom: Street Fighter [spoiler]https://www.google.com/amp/s/venturebeat.com/2011/03/17/capcom-and-the-abuse-of-customer-loyalty-dlc/amp/[/spoiler] Charge money for costumes. Those costumes are not unlock able in the game any other way (like destiny Eververse items are). I also believe in the new one it costs money to unlock characters as well. (but this I do not know 100 percent) As you can see, every developer I previously listed has microtransactions for games that you need to purchase to begin with, that are locked behind a "pay wall". Some even make it a requirement in order to max level (Madden). Not all purely cosmetic like Destiny either. Halo offers its entire endgame for purchase. [quote]both or either existing on a game like destiny is terrible because of again one of two scenarios 1) you can get the item.. if you spend enough money. Whats the achievement in that? great you have it... no story behind it. I think most will agree that earning the item in destiny is definitely half the fun. 2) or it just simply isnt accessible- in terms of like a limited time even such as the dawning, if you dont get enough loot boxes to give you the drops you should be getting (all) then youre out of luck. At least if it was achievable through normal game play but accessible to those who do it nobody could complain[/quote] Everything in Eververse is strictly cosmetic. Nothing gives you an advantage like in the other games I listed. You can obtain most of the items just by playing literally any activity unlink most of the games I listed. (With the exception of the limited time event that does give you 3 free new items per day, and 12 total specific dawning items, unlike other games would) You claim the microtransactions in the other games are no problem, but I provided links to multiple sources saying otherwise. So I stand by my statement. If the OP wants to make a difference to the "game industry" he would in fact need to boycott more than just 1 game.

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  • Edited by Gu1TaRpuNk41: 12/28/2017 6:06:52 PM
    [quote]They may have microtransactions but its not the bulk of the end content within the game. Destiny is a looter game but if everything is behind a pay wall... that restricts the entire point of the game.[/quote] You earn a bright engram every time you level up. Every week you get an xp bonus that increases level up speed for the first 3 levels. They [b]only[/b] items locked behind a "pay wall" are ones that are available during this dawning event. Even thoughs you are given 12 per account for free. This is not the same as other games with microtransactions that lock items so that they can literally only be purchased with money. [quote]Imagine if diablo 3 had loot boxes and when they released an expansions nearly all of the added items were put being a pay wall.. and xp was throttled (then doubled in terms of amount needed) which made the grind ridiculously long.[/quote] I have never played Diablo 3, so I asked a co-worker his opinion and he said: XP is throttled in diablo 3 once you hit a high level. On Rhykker's YouTube there are links about how Diablo 3 will possibly be getting loot boxes. Also, when the game released it had a real money auction house. [quote]you named some many companies above... but from what Ive seen those games fit in one of two categories 1) the microtransactions are purely cosmetic and also not the focus of the game. 2) the microtransactions exist, and may be randomly rolled, but the game is free.[/quote] So, you are using these examples to argue your point that microtransactions are ok in other games besides destiny? Your number 1: There is literally nothing obtained from Eververse that will give you any advantage over another player. Everything (except for a limited time event) can be obtained by literally just playing the game. Literally everything that you do gives you experience towards Bright Engrams. Everything in Eververse is purely cosmetic. Now, let's look at the examples that I gave: [quote]Then you better also boycott EA, 343, Ubisoft, Blizzard, 2K, Bethesda, Bioware, Capcom, etc.[/quote] EA: Madden 2018 [spoiler]https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/691088-xbox-one/75710237[/spoiler] In order to obtain the max ranking for your team you are required to purchase cards. There is no other way to obtain said cards. 343: Halo 5 The only "endgame" items to obtain in halo 5 are purely cosmetic armor, and weapons for one time use in Warzone. Both obtained with req packs. Which can be purchased. This allows anyone the ability to literally purchase every unlockable item in the game... Ubisoft: Assassin's Creed Origins [spoiler]https://gamerant.com/assassins-creed-loot-boxes/[/spoiler] Has both loot boxes, and items that can literally only be obtained with real money. Blizzard: World Of Warcraft [spoiler]https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20420212723[/spoiler] You purchase the game, pay a monthly subscription, and there are still items only obtainable by using real money. 2K: NBA2K18 [quote]https://www.google.com/amp/s/kotaku.com/nba-2k18-is-riddled-with-microtransactions-1818554307/amp[/quote] Literally pay to win. Bethesda: skyrim /fallout 4 / quake [spoiler]https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/M0aV9hAi-bethesda-went-from-one-of-my-fave-game-studios-to-my-most-despised-now[/spoiler] Reducing the capability of modders, and also now charging for mods. Also, quake has skins that are only unlockable via money purchases. Bioware: Mass Effect [spoiler]https://www.google.com/amp/www.eurogamer.net/amp/2017-10-23-manveer-heir-bioware-mass-effect-ea-monetisation [/spoiler] In the article it explains that someone spent literally 15,000,000 on microtransactions. Need I say more? Capcom: Street Fighter [spoiler]https://www.google.com/amp/s/venturebeat.com/2011/03/17/capcom-and-the-abuse-of-customer-loyalty-dlc/amp/[/spoiler] Charge money for costumes. Those costumes are not unlock able in the game any other way (like destiny Eververse items are). I also believe in the new one it costs money to unlock characters as well. (but this I do not know 100 percent) As you can see, every developer I previously listed has microtransactions for games that you need to purchase to begin with, that are locked behind a "pay wall". Some even make it a requirement in order to max level (Madden). Not all purely cosmetic like Destiny either. Halo offers its entire endgame for purchase. [quote]both or either existing on a game like destiny is terrible because of again one of two scenarios 1) you can get the item.. if you spend enough money. Whats the achievement in that? great you have it... no story behind it. I think most will agree that earning the item in destiny is definitely half the fun. 2) or it just simply isnt accessible- in terms of like a limited time even such as the dawning, if you dont get enough loot boxes to give you the drops you should be getting (all) then youre out of luck. At least if it was achievable through normal game play but accessible to those who do it nobody could complain[/quote] Everything in Eververse is strictly cosmetic. Nothing gives you an advantage like in the other games I listed. You can obtain most of the items just by playing literally any activity unlink most of the games I listed. (With the exception of the limited time event that does give you 3 free new items per day, and 12 total specific dawning items, unlike other games would) You claim the microtransactions in the other games are no problem, but I provided links to multiple sources saying otherwise. So I stand by my statement. If the OP wants to make a difference to the "game industry" he would in fact need to boycott more than just 1 game.

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