While I'm not one of those idiots who think the game is p2w (I don't spend 1600+ hours on p2w bullshit) I just want to point out that this [quote]money can't buy you MR24[/quote]is objectively wrong. MR is based on affinity, affinity is gained by maxing out frames, weapons, archwings, pets and sentinels. All of which (with the obvious exception of some things such as weapons that are clan research only *-blam!-ing Dual Ichors* , MR locked (which MR lock can be bypassed via the purchase of bundles or collections) or weapons with special designations, et cetera) can be purchased. Once purchased, all you have to do is go to Akkad or wherever your preferred grinding mission is and max out said weapons > complete MR test (all of which can be easily cheesed) rinse, repeat. I've come across several players anywhere bewteen MR 19 ~ 22 that were absolute noobs who didn't know shit. MR can most certainly be bought and shouldn't be seen as an indication of skill or knowledge, rather time or in some cases, monies spent.

When I say you can’t buy MR 24 I didn’t mean it in the way you’re thinking m8 You can’t straight up by a fully leveled weapon You have to go in and grind Therefore you truly aren’t able to buy MR24 Yes you can buy everything you might need to get to MR24 but that doesn’t matter if you don’t go and level stuff up :) Just saying you’ve got a brain so do I and I’m not dumb so maybe be a little more outside the box with your thinking?

[quote]When I say you can’t buy MR 24 I didn’t mean it in the way you’re thinking m8[/quote]Care to explain then? [quote]You can’t straight up by a fully leveled weapon[/quote]You_don't_say.jpg [quote]You have to go in and grind[/quote]Yes, as I already stated in my reply. It also isn't even an issue to level gear, solo or leeching from a squad, [i]especially[/i] with a booster. [quote]Therefore you truly aren’t able to buy MR24[/quote]Yes, you are. Again, having to level the gear is irrelevant. Having the gear is the important thing. If they didn't acquire said gear by farming, but instead by purchasing it, then leveled it and got to MR24 -- they essentially bought it. [quote]Yes you can buy everything you might need to get to MR24 but that doesn’t matter if you don’t go and level stuff up :)[/quote]To quote my previous statements; [quote]You_don't_say.jpg Yes, as I already stated in my reply. It also isn't even an issue to level gear, solo or leeching from a squad, [i]especially[/i] with a booster.[/quote] [quote]Just saying you’ve got a brain so do I and I’m not dumb so maybe be a little more outside the box with your thinking?[/quote]I never said or even remotely implied or hinted at you being "dumb", so I don't know what the point of that silly comment is...

You straight up can’t buy MR24 on the market you have to play the game long enough to earn it Just cause I can buy every weapon and frame and stuff with plat doesn’t mean it’s P2W it’s pay to get items I need to then go and grind the game but if you’re slow or never on paying for all items in game will get you nowhere and you’ll be wasting money To get to MR24 you must play P2W is a term that says You can beat this game with no actual game time aside from spending money to beat it Warframe requires effort Time and most importantly a brain Why don’t you go try paying for everything in game with money and seeing if you get to be MR24 with no time played outside of the first set of missions needed to unlock the market. If you can’t do it then this argument is over and I call it a W

[quote]You straight up can’t buy MR24 on the market[/quote]Again, no shit. But through the process I'm talking about, you are essentially "buying" it. [quote]you have to play the game long enough to earn it[/quote]I'm not going to repeat what I already said to tell you why that's wrong. [quote]Just cause I can buy every weapon and frame and stuff with plat doesn’t mean it’s P2W[/quote][b][i][u]I never once said the game is "p2w" and even prefaced my comment with that...[/u][/i][/b] You're now trying so hard to still be right and control the damage that you're making strawman arguments... [quote]it’s pay to get items I need to then go and grind the game but if you’re slow or never on paying for all items in game will get you nowhere and you’ll be wasting money[/quote]Another strawman and another thing I'm yet again going to say You_don't_say.jpg to... [quote]To get to MR24 you must play[/quote]No got damn shit. Are you even reading my replies at all or are you just cherry picking? Let's break it down again, yeah? We've already established what MR is and how you rank it up, correct? It's a process that can't be debated -- to earn affinity for you MR progress, you have to level gear. This is incontrovertible, so it's something we should both agree on, yes? Now, with the above in mind, if someone spends their time simply playing the game, only getting gear through farming it and only buying slots from the market (as those are pretty much a requirement) and played for about two - three years or until they got everything needed to rank up and then achieved MR24, it's quite obvious they didn't buy their way through, correct? On the flipside of that (as I briefly mentioned before) once again, keeping in mind what "affinity" & "MR" are and how you gain it [affinity] and how you rank it [MR] up, if a person doesn't do as the person in the example above (play until they've acquired everything needed for MR24 by farming and grinding) and instead, completely circumvents the farming by purchasing everything needed and now only has to be arsed with the grind (which for the nth time isn't a difficult task, ergo it's irrelevant to even mention in this scenario) this person has essentially bought their way to MR24. The fact you still have to level the gear doesn't negate the fact that the affinity in the player's MR bar is only there from gear he purchased. Saying "what if they're a slow player?" (don't jump the gun here, I'm paraphrasing) is a poor argument and akin to a strawman. In this scenario, we aren't talking about a "slow" player. If you still can't comprehend that, then I genuinely and honestly want to implore you to let go of your ego and pride, have some humility and just admit you're wrong as any further arguments of disagreement even though I've already explained in detail why your statement was false is just silly. [quote]P2W is a term that says You can beat this game with no actual game time aside from spending money to beat it[/quote]Again, not once did I say it was p2w. Warframe isn't even a game that's "beat", so that only further solidifies the fact calling it p2w is moronic and something I'd never do. To quote you, "I have a brain too". [quote]Warframe requires effort Time and most importantly a brain[/quote]Not when you're a whale it doesn't. And my point was never about actually playing through or "beating" the game. It was about getting to MR24 via buying your gear. It doesn't require effort or brain to get carried through 20 - 30 waves of Akkad or any other grinding mission. Just time and with this scenario, with the player buying the gear, constantly going at it and possibly using boosters -- it's considerably less time. [quote]Why don’t you go try paying for everything in game with money and seeing if you get to be MR24[/quote]Another fallacy riddled post. First off, I don't have the money to do so, not that I'd need to in the first place. I don't need to do something like that to prove my point. I have facts and understanding of the game to do that for me. [quote]with no time played outside of the first set of missions needed to unlock the market.[/quote]Oh look, another strawman... Never once said or implied that you wouldn't spend anytime outside of the first couple required missions or any amount of missions. My implication was that you'd spend less time as a large portion (if not close to damn near all) of your time spent farming for your gear for your MR will be circumvented by purchasing it. [quote]If you can’t do it then this argument is over and I call it a W[/quote]This "argument" was over long before it started, fam and the fact you think it's a "w" for you (despite the fact all you've done is distort my points so they suit your arguments) is exactly why I think the only reason you haven't humbled yourself and admitted you made a slip up is purely out of pride and ego... It was never even my intention to "argue" with you to begin with as I also prefaced my post saying that for the most part, I agree with you (edit, I actually didn't, but I meant to). There was just one glaring point that was objectively incorrect. But whatever, I don't care to see your next display of mental gymnastics in effort to still be "right" about this even though you're wrong in the point you made from both an empirical and theoretical standpoint, so you can take me not replying as your internet "w" for the day. Congrats, champ.

You have a good day too KAT :)

I hope you don’t trigger anyone with that title that’d be quite hilarious.

Me too. I knew it would grab people's attention!

Well hey if you need any help with people being triggered let me know I’ll be glad to Buttheads with those salty destiny folks

Looks like you've given plenty of help. What console you on?

Xbox

You should add me pal. Always looking for a team to wreck thos eidolons