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Edited by varvatos:
10/30/2017 10:16:37 PM
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Funny
1989 we were destroying walls.
2017 you are thinking of building one .
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Edited by FelifluxMadness: 10/31/2017 3:07:36 PMIt's like [i]Wind of Change[/i] but in reverse.
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*you're
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Oh shush
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The wall in 1989 that *you’re* referring to divided a city in two. The wall that we’re currently endeavoring to build is around our country’s border. I do love apples and oranges, they just aren’t comparable in all aspects.
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[quote]The wall in 1989 that *you’re* referring to divided a city in two. The wall that we’re currently endeavoring to build is around our country’s border. I do love apples and oranges, they just aren’t comparable in all aspects.[/quote] But East and West Germany [u]were[/u] two different countries......
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A wall is a wall end of.
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I’m guess by your flawless logic and hatred for walls you’re homeless?
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Dead funny
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Infallible logic. The placement of said walls was all I was calling attention to. The Berlin Wall dissected a city in two, which I think we all agree is terrible. But clearly defining a border between two countries is something quite different.
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[quote]Infallible logic. The placement of said walls was all I was calling attention to. The Berlin Wall dissected a city in two, which I think we all agree is terrible. But clearly defining a border between two countries is something quite different.[/quote] No, the Berlin Wall was a wall between two different countries.
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Was a city not divided by a wall?
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[quote]Was a city not divided by a wall?[/quote] [quote]The wall in 1989 that *you’re* referring to divided a city in two. The wall that we’re currently endeavoring to build is around our country’s border. I do love apples and oranges, they just aren’t comparable in all aspects.[/quote] Were East and West Germany not two different countries?
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Eastern Germany and Western Germany were divided and ruled by the US and USSR. The city of Berlin was then divided by The Berlin Wall to differentiate the separation between the two then protectorates of the aforementioned two different countries. Now, back to my question, was a city not divided in two?
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East Germany and West Germany were two separate countries. East Berlin was in East Germany and West Berlin was in west Germany. The wall was built 20 years after these countries were defined. It was a shit idea built with exactly the same justifications that Trump is using to justify his equally shit idea. Keep out the dangerous foreigners. Didnt work then, won't work now.
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It actually worked quite well, for the most part. Every country has the right to control who comes into their country.
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I can tell you from the experience of my numerous family members who lived in West Germany and West Berlin that it did not work in that way whatsoever. Westerners were allowed to freely cross back and forth between East and West. It was built purely to prevent East Germans and people from the eastern bloc from defecting. But hey every country has the right to shoot its own citizens if they try and leave right? Like Trump's wall, the Berlin wall was built ostensibly to solve a problem that it didnt' actually solve, and in reality to project the strength of the ruling regime and intimidate people. The comparison is totally appropriate. I suppose the only real difference is that they actually built the Berlin wall whereas Trump's won't happen.
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Edited by CoolHandLuke04: 10/31/2017 7:17:35 PMYour insinuation that we’re keeping anyone from coming or going is juvenile. No one is saying that no one may come in or leave. But it will help so that people at least do it legally. How crazy of us to want people to come into our country legally.
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My insinuation is that A. the Berlin wall was in fact a barrier between two distinct countries. B. that in terms of keeping people out of East Germany it was a failure and C. That like Trumps wall the justification for building it is totally incongruous with what the actual reasons for building it are. I find it incredible that a government can contemplate spending tens of billions of dollars on a lunatic's vanity project without the slightest research into whether its going to be worth it. You want to reduce the number of illegal immigrants coming to the US, fine, you could do it for a tenth of the cost of building a wall. There's not been so much as white paper to back up building it. Its purely so Trump can crow about how he's delivered on a campaign promise. There's a million alternatives, but like Kruschev Trump is interested primarily in its symbolic effect, not its practical ones.
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Your argument is old and tired. The wall idea didn’t originate with Trump. Reagan was deceived by folks over 30 years ago with the “a wall won’t help and we can do it cheaper”. Since the late 80s there’s been an estimated (conservative estimate) influx of more than 8 million illegal immigrants into the US. Now some of those come legally and never go home, but the majority of them come through our borders that, in your words, are better and more cheaply controlled by other means than a wall. So pardon me and everyone else if we roll our eyes at your tired argument.
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Yes its an old and tired argument because, like you say, it was shown decades ago that a border wall is not an effective deterrent. Without any kind of evidence, other than the word of a horrendously ill-informed ideologue, that that's changed obviously I'd probably stick with the findings of people who actually looked into it.
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Without trying it, we’ll never know it’s real world results. But we’ve got over 30 years of results of your solution’s failure. Time for a change.
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[quote]Eastern Germany and Western Germany were divided and ruled by the US and USSR. The city of Berlin was then divided by The Berlin Wall to differentiate the separation between the two then protectorates of the aforementioned two different countries. Now, back to my question, was a city not divided in two?[/quote] Yes but it was divided in two by a border between two countries. So saying it's apples and oranges is incorrect.
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Would you then point out to me which city we’re dissecting with a wall then? Because comparing building a wall on our southern border, which has been our border for quite a few decades now, to the hastily formulated occupation zones immediately following the fall of Berlin, is indeed apples and oranges. Any country has the right to clearly define and defend its borders.
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[quote]Would you then point out to me which city we’re dissecting with a wall then? Because comparing building a wall on our southern border, which has been our border for quite a few decades now, to the hastily formulated occupation zones immediately following the fall of Berlin, is indeed apples and oranges. Any country has the right to clearly define and defend its borders.[/quote] So any country has the right to define and defend its borders, just not East Germany.......got it.
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Deflecting away from answering my question after I’ve given you a detailed answer to yours.....I’ll take that as you not having an answer that helps you feel like “you’ve won”. Thanks for playing!
