Dude, that's a rather generalized statement, I'm hardcore casual, I loved Destiny 1 1. got destroyed in crucible kd in 0.21 etc and I couldn't repair it in 3 years, but I learnt to snipe and quick snipe. I had my matches where I would destroy the opposite team, and get destroyed by excellent snipers. 2. chased a hawk moon for a year and had it drop in crucible 3. got in vault if glass after crota released, as no one would accept a level 28, but in my second run got fate bringer. 4. fate bringer got left behind :(. then it came back to 365, I was so thrilled. all i hated was the constant nerfing by Luke Smith and his sandbox guys. by year 3 most of my favorite stuff was nerfed stuff which had taken years to get. as a casual any day I'd go for destiny one where there were unbelievable rewards to chase if you had the perseverence. I hate dumbed down games and I hate it that supers And weapons are dumbed down and crucible is boring. when everyone is special no one is special ever, that's the problem with destiny now.