I think this will probably just be my last reply to threads like these. I'll do my best to attempt to hit everything you touched on but no promises. The give it time argument is a valid argument. While Destiny 1 and Destiny 2 share a lot of things they are also pretty different games. Expecting all quality of life changes from Destiny 1 to be needed or even work with Destiny 2 just doesn't work. Some things like heroic strikes and strike specific loot do work. Things like record books are not needed. I personally think the whole argument is messy regardless of which side you sit on. Thus I don't like to acknowledge/debate that point. Being told to go play something else is also a valid point. Bungie has openly admitted that the never made Destiny to be a game you sign in everyday and play for hours. It was always marketed towards those who sign in a few times a week for an hour or 2 at most. Now if someone is telling you that as a response for complaints in general no. That's stupid. You do have the right to complain. That being said if your complaint is "i've nothing to do and I don't feel like just running strikes/pvp etc for the sake of playing" then yes. Being told to go play something else is valid. "browse the forums it's a common opinion." I don't see why this is even considered a valid reply to you. People are allowed to enjoy the game and not be upset like you. Also like it or not even if every single person who came to these forums and posted agreed with your opinion it's still very likely you'd be in the minority. The non vocal is almost always the majority in a community. There is no right opinion here. "The first game was so grindy though, at least this one has good drop rates' I think I speak for most players here when..." You should never ever say that. You only speak for yourself unless someone tells you that you can speak for them. Just a tip for writing threads or debating in general. Semantics aside there are plenty of us out there that haven't received everything we are looking for. I would be very curious to see drop rate comparisons for exotics in this game versus exotic drop rates in Destiny 1 after 3 of coins was dropped. I still personally get excited when I see an exotic engram drop. I also personally enjoy that exotic armor is more about aiding a playstyle rather than creating a new one. I think exotic guns should be the things that break/make new gameplay. Since it is an FPS after all. "don't even try to give me excuses.." You really need to check your attitude. If you think peoples opinions are excuses you've literally narrowed your perspective on the situation and no fruitful discussion can come from debating with you. Painting Bungie as bad also does not help your case. Destiny 1 had an identity crisis. They practically had to rewrite the game halfway in it's development life cycle and even then it still struggled to be something. Bungie scrambled to try and give us what we asked for in destiny 1 while dealing with dated dev tools and a mess of a game. "Destiny 2 is already dying.." This line just further proves to me that i'm kind of wasting my time. I really hate assuming about someone but you've posted more than one thing in this thread hinting at the behavior of a specific kind of person. The kind that just can't listen to anyone that doesn't agree with them. But i'll stop tearing on this. Destiny 2 is certainly not dying. Destiny 1 had several points in which people considered it dying or dead. Yet it stuck for 3 years and had a very active community with active content creators. Unless you can actually give stats to back this don't ever make this claim. (though the whole x game is dying thing is just a half arsed argument to begin with and should never be taken seriously.) "screw the casual players." Bungie can't. They are the people who make up the biggest part of the population. Not the hardcore players who run raids more than once a week. Not the hardcore players who stay up all night just to do reset on 3 characters. etc. On a fundimental level you should never ignore a part of your fanbase no matter how big or small. Why do you think nightfalls/raids got stepped up in terms of difficulty? for the harcore players. just as the rest of the game was made more casual for the more casual players. The rest of this tangent is ignorable. You're trying to justify one part of the community being more important than another. in a developers eyes everyone should be equally important. As a Destiny 1 vet been around since the beta of that game I just simply don't share your view. I've always wanted a game that is more RPG than FPS. I wanted D2 to be that. But we got a bigger focus on FPS. I understand why. I do have my own issues and I do think this game can be better. But I don't think it's a disaster like you think. I don't hold any malice towards Bungie. I'd rather enjoy what this game is and make suggestions on where they can improve rather than shaming Bungie. I'm just going to ignore your last bit. It's too childish to be worth even getting into.