I definitely get it, thanks again. I know the back and forth is based on shots fired but I just find it hard to believe that between now and full beta that my originally expressed concerns are going to be addressed. Never did I [i]meant[/i] that ;) So, pitch forks laid down... I seriously am concerned about the gun system. It feels like a wraparound way to remove our efficiency in the game. Bungie has shown their cards on that one since I first started playing back in beta for D1. I know you've played through those changes as well, I forgot the exact patch (5.2.2 I think?) when they got rid of special and heavy ammo, still hurts. I think that vision is carrying over to D2. And I really do understand that the test build is to work out kinks but I don't think it's to change macro things like the gun system and it's still a valid point that people play the free open beta to get a feel for the game and veteran or not, it doesn't feel fun right now to me due to large issues not small changes between now and mid September.