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originally posted in: Bloodborne - Healing church lore?
5/29/2017 1:24:21 AM
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Haha! Got giddy seeing this thread! ^-^ Ahem.. "Byrgenwerth, Byrgenwerth.. Blasphemous murderers.. Blood crazed fiends.." It all started long ago.. With a man named Willem, and his school; Byrgenwerth. One day, they discovered an underground labyrinth known as Pthumeru. What they found there is unclear, but what what they got from it is known; The miraculous Healing Blood. A mysterious blood able to heal any disease. But perhaps more importantly, they discovered the Eldritch Truth. Willem became obsessed with ascending to a higher plane of thinking, like the elusive Great Ones, encountered within the tomb. It was then that rumors of a strange creature--a god? A monster?--being found in a small fishing hamlet. Two (or more) students of the college--Gehrman, and Maria--were sent to the hamlet, where they discovered the dead Great One Kos.. And, its dead orphan, still inside its womb. They searched the inhabitants for eyes on the inside, brutally murdering the town, and stealing the unborn Great One child, as well as its umbilical cord. This act cursed them. And all Hunters. As Willem was obsessed with his research, another high ranking student named Laurence researched the Blood. And he found it far more efficient to ascend than "Eyes", or insight. So, Laurence decided to take the Blood, abandon Byegenwerth, and pursue his own research.. "Oh, I know, I know. You seek now to betray me." "No, but you will never listen. I promise I will not forget our adage." "We are born of the blood. Made men by the blood. Undone by the blood. Fear the old blood." "I must take my leave." "By the gods.. Fear it, Laurence.." -Master Willem & Laurence, on the subject of his departure. We know for sure of two students who left with Laurence: Gehrman, and Micolash. It's heavily impled Maria left with them as well. So, here comes this crazy guy from the woods, telling you to drink blood, because it's a miracle cure! Sounds legit. The people of Yharnam didn't take well to Laurence's "miracle blood". They needed a way to spread their influence. They needed power, and resources to continue their research.. And what better way to spread a cure than to cause an illness? "They believe medicine not as a means of treatment, but rather a method of research, and that some knowledge can be obtained only by exposing oneself to infection." -White Church Hunter Set The Ashen Blood. A mysterious, baffling sickness that ravaged Old Yharnam. It came out of nowhere, and medicine only slowed it. Conveniently the Healing Church appeared with its miracle blood, and cured the entire town.. For a time. It became clear there was aside effect to the Blood.. And from one illness came another. The Beastly Scourge. People treated with the Blood became flesh hungry Beasts, and so the Church made a secret sect of warriors, of Hunters, to deal with them. The Workshop. The Ashen Blood treated, the Beastly Scourge unknown, the Church now in power. Whether it became the official government, or no, the Healing Church ruled Yharnam, and used this seat of power to continue their wicked experiments. But things got worse. As more people were afflicted with Ashen Blood, more people needed Healing Blood, more people became Beasts, and the Workshop started getting overwhelmed. A sect of the Workshop--the Oto Workshop--decided to try blowing beasts up, instead of assassinating them. The Oto Workshop was shunned by the Church for attacking Beasts in public. People would start to catch on.. Unless.. The town caught on first. On fire, that is. "The Red Moon hangs low, and beasts rule the streets. Are we left no choice but to burn it all to cinders?" Old Yharnam was burnt to a crisp. Whether it was the Church, or the Oto Workshop, who can say? Either way, people knew of the Scourge. People were going to understand what was going on, and rebel against the Church.. Or, at least they would have. If it weren't for Ludwig. He decided to tell the people about the beasts. Rally the people, and let them join the Hunt! Ludwig formed one of the three prominent branches of the Church; the Church Workshop. Gehrman was abandoned, while Ludwig's Workshop rose, and an army rose with it. Now, I said three branches. Let's rewind. "The Red Moon hangs low.." The Red Moon.. Now, it's unclear whether it's happened multiple times, but I believe it happened once. To explain, let's mention one of the other branches. The School of Mensis. Strictly speaking yes, the School is part of the Church, but it's more like a seperate institution, so I won't talk a lot about it. But here's a bit. Micolash continued the exploits into the tombs, finding another umbilical cord. He used this, to enter a Nightmare, and beckoned the Red Moon to rebirth himself (speculation). Willem temporarily stopped it. I can explain more if you want, in a seperate post. Okay, fast forward. The Church found a Great One called Ebrietas. Their encounter with Ebrietas formed the third branch, the Church elite; the Choir. The Choir began experimenting on people to commune with Ebrietas, who they did already have limited communication with. To this end they turned people into Celestial Children (imperfect), and Celestial Emissaries (perfected). From this they created the Augur of Ebrietas. The Choir & School of Mensis competed with one another, and that's part of why the School departed. However, eventually, the Church's downfall came from the very thing that gave them power; the Blood. As it was, clerics turned into the worst beasts, and the last Vicar (ruler): Amelia of the Church dies in the events of the game, and the city was overrun by horrid little beasties. And yet.. The School of Mensis was making something much worse.. (I feel like my writing went down in quality near the end, but..)
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  • Edited by Zargon: 5/29/2017 8:52:41 PM
    Ah majestic! Here I was going to write down [i]my[/i] interpretation. But alas too slow I was... not to say I could even rival your reply! I really need to get my memory a bit refreshed with Bloodborne lore. Bah.. at least I might add that Laurence & his accomplices managed to beckon the Moon presence. The architect of Hunter's Dream and the one who's very much influencing the current events of Bloodborne. The outcome of this lead to the foundation of a contract binding individuals to the Hunter's Dream. Gehrman stayed behind in this dreadful Hunter's Dream as a prisoner. [i]"Hunt the Great Ones, hunt the Great ones"[/i] ~ Lecture building note

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  • Indeed. I left out that bit because it's kind of just.. There. Flora (the Moon Presence) has been beckoned twice. Once by "Laurence and his associates", once by Gehrman. It doesn't really say what happened the first time. : /

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  • Gehrman [i]is[/i] one of Laurence's associate and was with Laurence when he beckoned the moon presence. Evident by his mumbling when he's questioning Laurence's return. Presumeably during this first encounter, some sort of deal was struck and Gehrman chose to stay behind.. expecting some sort of release some time after Laurence's supposed return.

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  • Edited by The First Aifos: 5/29/2017 9:24:32 PM
    You certainly connected some dots I never saw! :o I was always under the impression after Maria's suicide, and Ludwig taking his old position, he used the Umbilical Cord to beckon Flora, and conceive the Hunter's Dream.

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  • Edited by Zargon: 5/29/2017 9:43:16 PM
    There are so many tiny little details.. and deliberate vague hints but they make sense once you take everything in consideration. There are only 3 known used cords in the current events of the game, 1 by Micolash, 1 by Laurence & 1 by Willem.

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  • I still think Willem doesn't have a Cord. Micolash's was Mergo's, and Gehrman's is the Orphan. If Willem used one, I think the one he used was Gehrman's, but otherwise I don't know where he got it. I thought maybe Ebrietas, with Rom being the child, but it's said Rom ascended. I dunno. :T

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  • It's more or less implied that Willem got the cord from Kos. As during the time Fishing hamlet was raided by the hunters, Byrgenwyrth wasn't split evident by the old fisherman in Fishing Hanlet who's cursing byrgenwyrth. [i]"Byrgenwyrth..Byrgenwyrth.. Blasphemous murderes.. Blood-crazed fiends"[/i] And then you have Micolash's vague but deliberate dialouge[i] "ah.. kos or some say kosm, grant us eyes, grant us eyes, as you once did for the vacuous Rom"[/i].

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  • That Cord belongs to Gehrman, most likely, as evident by Gehrman's relief at killing the Orphan. At least that's my interpretation. That's the one at the Abandoned Workshop. Rom is a bit of a mystery. Supposedly ascended, and yet, we find her in the Chalice Dungeons, which supposedly take place in the past. Very confuzzling.

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  • That cord is Laurence's. Gehrman never had any.. Laurence & his associates were the ones who beckoned the Moon Presence. And since it's already known.. Gehrman was a part of that team. He merely adopted the role of a pawn until Laurence supposed return to the hunter's dream. Willem used Kos's cord to make Rom halt the ritual of mensis and hide the blood moon. As for Gehrman's relief I wouldn't consider that a connection to the cords. It's more like a relief that the curse he and all the hunters were plagued with was finally lifted. He wasn't the only one affected by the curse.

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  • [quote]That cord is Laurence's. Gehrman never had any.. Laurence & his associates were the ones who beckoned the Moon Presence. And since it's already known.. Gehrman was a part of that team. He merely adopted the role of a pawn until Laurence supposed return to the hunter's dream.[/quote] Right.. I still need to adopt my theories on that. Gotta go read Gehrman's dialogue, analyze the note, etc. [quote]As for Gehrman's relief I wouldn't consider that a connection to the cords. It's more like a relief that the curse he and all the hunters were plagued with was finally lifted. He wasn't the only one affected by the curse.[/quote] A fair interpretation. I feel like it's got to be something beyond just that, though.

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  • Oh I would definetly recommend reading a bit on the dialouge and especially the notes... The lore is amazing but vague to the point where it's all about how many dots you can connect to support your theory. As it stands the only connection I can make to the cords are to the Great Ones, not curses. "[i]the Great Ones are known to be sympatethic in spirit & answers to the calls[/i]". The inhabitants of the fishing hamlet cursed the hunters after being ravaged by them and the orphan answered their prayers. I had to double check a few things myself to make sure I wasn't going on any crazy theories ^-^

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  • I think (for the most part) I connect dots very well, but I am only an Aifos after all, sadly there are things I forget/didn't catch. I'm sad Vaati has so few BB videos, he usually helps me find the dots I missed. Plus I'm too stubborn for my own good, sometimes, and it cannbe hard to change my headcanon. :T

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  • Nice read

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  • Thanks. ^-^

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  • Would be cool if they made a prequel to Bloodborne telling the story of German.

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  • I disagree. Gehrman's story; Attacked the Hamlet Hunted Beasts Got discarded Entered Dream I don't think it would work.

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  • Then there are all the untold stories of the other hunters he has mentored throughout the years, and the years he has hunted himself. The rivalries he had with others, as he says this isn't the first time he had to kill a hunter that wanted his spot.

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  • True. Even so, I don't think it'd work. Too direct for FromSoft.

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  • I have come to play Bloodborne a lot more lately. I am working on Platinum trophy, I only have to finish the Chalice dungeons. I kind of have to force myself to do it because it's not as fun as actual story part.

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  • I love doing the Chalice Dungeons. Except the Defiled one.. And the Abhorrent beast in Loran.. -.-

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  • Sweet mother of text, Aifos...

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  • And there's still so much to cover!

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  • The lore really is quite good if you dig into it.

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  • It's amazing! ^-^

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  • Ah, I've been expecting you! You definetly delivered! Good job!

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