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originally posted in: Nokris, the Mystery Hive
5/1/2017 6:03:17 AM
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You do realize hive wizards are female it says so in the lore. That was one of the biggest jokes in year 1.
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  • Thank god they are refered as females in the German version since the beginning.

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  • No the joke is they came from the moon

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  • All women come from the moon.

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  • Oryx was originally a "she", and her name was Aurash if I'm not mistaken [spoiler]...but very well could be[/spoiler]

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  • Yes, I am fully aware and it is clear in the post, so I don't see why u brought it up

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  • Wrong you stated "We know nothing about Nokris, not even if it is a he or she. All we have is a statue that shows Nokris is about as important to Oryx as Crota is". Well we do know its a she sice we know she is a wizard. We just dont know the back story. The lore clearly states all wizards are female. Seeing how oryx's daughters are in the Kings Fall raid it makes perfect since for someone to say that Nokris could be Oryx's mate.

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  • What makes you think that Nokris is a Wizard? Nothing ever said that

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  •  ok so i did some research but "nokri" in hebrew means alien or foreign, but it can also translate to adulteress or adulterous woman. i think Nokris could possible be the wife to oryx who could have been banished. If its true that we enter Nokris's realm then could that mean oryx is alive in his?  Also Eris mentions a queen at the end of Regicide. It is possible that Nokris is a Hive God and Oryx's Queen. You can also theorize that Oryx did not like what Nokris did by allowing Eris to escape Crota and as a result killed her and now part of her sole is encased in the hive crystal that Eris carries around, and plans on using the taken power or part of the soul of Oryx to resurrect Nokris to her former glory. Cauldron Arena in pvp has a crystal with an unidentified Wizard. Since this is a hive themed map, and its it doesnt resemble any other wizard, id safely say that its Nokris.

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  • She was talking about Mara Sov jfc dude...

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  • So you're assuming that Bungie specifically based Nokris off of nokri and used the adulterous woman definition? The Queen Eris refers to is the Awoken Queen Mara Sov. It even uses a capital Q and we know from the grimoires that she and Eris were planning for Oryx's coming So you think that something [i]let[/i] Eris survive the wrath of Crota and his minions, as well as Alak-Hul and Verok? You're referring to the Wizard in the Dungeons map that is imprisoned for some unknown reason. And that Wizard is the exact same model as Omnigul and Ir Yût, although we know she is neither of the two. Assuming that this Hive somehow went to Crota's realm, prevented an army of Hive from finding Eris for presumedly years, and then returned to the Dreadnaught without ever being noticed by Eris, why the heck would a Wizard so crafty let themselves be caught in the act, and why would she do that to begin with?

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  • The Queen at the end of Regicide is Mara Sov, who Eris has been working with towards the defeat of Oryx.

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  • Edited by deadpunk69: 5/1/2017 10:00:00 AM
    Mara sov is the queen of the awoken not the hive which is spoken of in the final TTK mission briefly.

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  • Ok proove it. Eris morn says " My queen, it is done. (Never sec. What queen). We know that Eris is part hive, but how much of her is hive. She also then takes the Crystal from oryx's sword. She also states she now knows your purpose but is never specified what that purpose is and it is never specified what she does with the crystal. And I know what you're going to say she gives the crystal to us but she only gives the crystal to us because she states that she no longer has a use for it. Everything up to this point it's purely speculation but my educated guess is that Eris Morn will eventually betray us. I mean come on we did get her ship blown up.

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  • I'm pretty she isn't part hive. I think it says that she experienced the darkness itself like Toland(?)

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  • Lol what drugs are you on?

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  • All of them most likely

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  • We know that Eris is speaking about Mara in the Regicide clip just as Mara is talking to Eris in the opening TTK cinematic Also, carving out a set of Hive eyes and surgically inserting them into her own head so she could see does not make her part Hive And why the heck would Eris be speaking to a Hive queen? The only Hive "queen" we know is Savathûn, queen of witches

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  • Edited by Haffoc: 5/1/2017 11:06:04 AM
    GF: The Queen 2 is when the Queen, Eris, and Osiris first met to discuss killing Oryx. [quote]"You don't have one." The Hunter came to a halt in front of the throne, raised her covered face to meet the Prince's gaze. "No," she agreed. "My next death will be my last." "I know the feeling," the Prince said dryly. [/quote] A veiled Hunter that has no ghost. [quote]The Queen stared at the Hunter, her expression studiously unchanged. "I have no wish to play politics. I have no grievance with the City, not anymore. I have no grand hopes to end the war, for long have I known I will not see its end. I am here for one battle, and one alone, because it is a battle we must all fight, together or separately. So I will warn the defenders, together or separately. I will do anything—" her low voice shook with passion— "to end Oryx."[/quote] A Hunter that had a grievance with the City, who wants to end Oryx. GF: The Reef [quote]Three dull green lights blaze to life behind a veil. She tilts her head to consider the Prince, face like a marble carving. "You." Her voice resonates inside small chamber. "Say what you want and get out. We don’t have time for this right now." "In the past, Her Majesty has seen fit to—" "In the past, our nav lanes weren’t full of Guardians." Uldren snaps.[/quote] This is Eris meeting at a later time with Uldren. From Queen's Ransom, Skolas tells the Queen that Light-Snuffer, Dark-Binder is coming, she decides to send word to Osiris and Eris [quote]The Techeuns gather at the door as the Queen approaches it. Prince Uldren holds it open with a small bow, and the Queen touches his shoulder as she passes. "Send a Crow to Mercury. And another to our new friend in the Tower."[/quote] The Road to King's Fall [quote] “We have confirmed it among our number within the Hidden. I have asked Ikora's Warlocks to reach out, and they sense nothing. The Orb is quiet. On the Moon, his shrine is dark and cold. It is true: the Taken King is dead. The Hive's dark god, and his foul son, have been purged from the universe. She was right, scholar. Queen Mara was right. It is all down to the Guardians now. Let us hope they are up to the tasks ahead of them.” - Eris Morn, undisclosed report to Osiris[/quote] Eris tells Osiris that the Queen was right, that the Guardians were the way to defeat Oryx. Which is very similar to what she says at the end of Regicide. [quote]"She was right, scholar. Queen Mara was right. It is all down to the Guardians now."[/quote] [quote]"My Queen, you were right, the Guardians were the key"[/quote] Eris then goes on to say [b]"I have accepted my fate. I will not fail"[/b] She makes no mention of knowing the Guardians purpose. At the end of the TTK Opening cutscene Mara Sov is talking to Eris when she says [b]"You and I know how this ends. We've know since you escaped from that... Pit"[/b] The pit refers to Eris escaping from the Hellmouth and Crota's domain. She then goes on to say [b]"The Awoken have played their part. This is all part of the plan."[/b] The plan that Mara, Eris, and Osiris created before Oryx arrived. She ends with [b]"Guide them, my hidden friend..."[/b] Eris in hidden is several ways. She is part of Ikora's hidden and her association with the Queen is hidden from the Tower. Eris is not part Hive, she replaced her own eyes, which were scratched out by the Hive, with the eyes of an accolade. Eris is believed to be an Awoken.

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  • Edited by Doc: 5/4/2017 8:38:21 AM
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    That would logically make her part Hive, though. Not naturally, but in a similar way as her friend became part Vex, she is part Hive.

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  • Edited by Haffoc: 5/4/2017 8:51:31 AM
    Yes and no. If I have a transplanted kidney from a Brazilian, I would not be officially considered part Brazillian, and certainly wouldn't qualify for Brazillian citizenship on that basis. Pig and Cow heart valves/tissue are used in Human heart surgery, you really wouldn't consider the recipient part Cow or Pig Having Hive eyes does not make Eris Hive. She is an Awoken (presumed) with Hive eyes.

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    The Brazilian thing I'll give you, but those are lines between cultures of the same species. The person with the cow or pig heart is absolutely part cow or pig. Having Hive eyes doesn't make Eris Hive, but it does make her Hive in part. Someone with robot eyes is a cyborg. Eris is just a... Hivorg.

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  • Eris is talking about mara sov. Its confirmed

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  • No, Eris is not talking about a Hive Queen. She is talking to 'her Queen' which is Mara Sov. The two have been working together since before Oryx arrived, planning his destruction. Eris, says "My Queen, you were right, the Guardian was the key". She says something similar to Osiris

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