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Edited by ol azo: 3/28/2017 3:36:48 AMAfter seeing the self contradiction in the law of conservation of matter and the first law of thermodynamics, it's honestly a matter of how willing you are to accept the existence of a god. Take a look around you, you can believe all of these concepts like evolution and the origin of the universe. Nobody ever said that God can't use these things to purposely result in his creation. After all, the end message in creation is that he created 2 humans and a universe (and some other complex ideas). The Bible doesn't teach you all the graph theory and meteorology that may or may not have lead up to this. And notice I'm only speaking on a scientific level. I'm leaving out the countless fulfilled prophecies.
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If we started out with only 2 humans, we would have serious genetic defects that result in severe complications and death in young children. Which we don't.
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We didn't start out with two humans. By the time Cain was banished, there were already other tribes.
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Edited by ol azo: 3/28/2017 3:47:56 AMYes. We [i]could[/i]. And instead of saying, "which we dont", I'll say, "but we don't". There is no purpose in having creation with no free will. Not to mention, even if these defects were to take place, do you even understand how these defects occur? No matter the chance of its occurance, it's still very possible to have a healthy family. And going back to the topic of origins, that still accounts for the entire truth of what actually happens. So as long as what I said before is correct, chance of defect by genes doesn't matter because of God's influence. And that is, we [i]could[/i] have serious gene defects. But you're right, we didnt, all the more reason I believe there is a god.
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Sure he doesn't. Keep on believing that explosions create things and that we evolved from a single called organism.
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Edited by sargentfenchfry: 3/26/2017 8:43:07 PMConsidering we have evidence that the "explosion" created the basics for the chemical and physical reactions that eventually lead to everything we know now, yeah im believing that [spoiler]oh and ever seen a dog?[/spoiler]
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You don't have solid evidence for it though, and there is a flaw with the Big Bang. If the Big Bang was the start of the universe, then there had to be something that caused the Big Bang. Otherwise, you have something from nothing. [spoiler]Yes, and you are going to try and prove evolution with it. Artificial selection and stuff. I never said I didn't believe in evolution, just not to the extent that some people do.[/spoiler]
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Or it just happened, like a chemical reaction, there really isn't such a thing as nothing, theres always something, maybe those somethings are on opposite sides of the universe, but thats still something. something created the spark that created the universe, i doubt that it was a god of a civilization who didn't come around for a very long time
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So you are saying that there was MATTER before the Big Bang?
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Maybe, cant say for sure, but that matter aint god
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But according to scientist, the Big Bang was what created matter. Are you disagreeing with scientists?
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Nope, they dont have all the answers, the bang is what created the matter we know and love, who knows what was before it
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So now you are contradicting yourself. You went from 'there was MATTER before the big bang' to 'there was no matter before the Big Bang'.
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Matter as we define it: no
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Got it. So there wasn't MATTER before the Big Bang, what was there then?
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I dont -blam-ing know, something obviously, not a god
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So you believe that something that wasn't MATTER caused the Big Bang.
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The explosion didn't create life. Life itself created life. And it makes more sense that we evolved from different single celled organisms instead from 2 people who magically appeared out of thin air.
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The explosion didn't create anything. It is basic knowledge that explosions don't make things.
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Really? Because stars explode all the time and the debris leftover clumps together and creates other solar systems, planets, and stars.
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But those explosions don't create matter.
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Neither did the big bang. If you actually knew anything about it you'd know the universe was compressed into a single point that was infinitely dense and infinitely filled with matter.
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So MATTER existed before the Big Bang? That goes against what quite a few scientists say.
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Edited by Cultmeister: 3/27/2017 12:17:19 PMActually the Big Bang Theory says NOTHING about the state of things prior to the Big Bang. Energy cannot be created or destroyed so states the first law of thermodynamics. Matter = energy, therefore it is not inconsistent to say that matter existed prior to the Big Bang, just in a totally different form to that which we know of now. It can also be consistent with Christianity insofar as it still allows God to be the author of the universe, just via the Big Bang.
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Matter and energy are not the same. Matter is matter and energy is energy.
