You wanna break your post up into paragraphs so people can actually read it?

What's wrong Riv3r you don't like others saying what I've been telling you this past few weeks?

Eh you are all the same... I've learned to ignore the majority of you.

No. if you want to read it.. read it.. if you don't don't..

I'm just tryin to help you when someone does that it just looks like word vomit from a salty, uneducated kid. Seriously more people will read your post and take it seriously.

I read it just fine and understood the point the gentleman was making very profoundly. Maybe you need glasses or some patience.

K good for you- but what i said still stands.

Not really, you seem to be the only one having problems reading the post. I don't see anyone else telling him to split his post in paragraphs.

im 40 years old posting back and forth with one individual. You are welcome to read it or not. While I understand grammar, I have little use for it on a forum about a game in which most of what is written is just keyboard warriors spouting shit. The person I was discussing this with understood my prose and that was all that matters to me. Thank you for your help and the grammar lesson but, it simply is not needed.

Ok so be it.

But you agree that the overall experience for you, as well as 'the elites' would be better if more people actually played the game mode? Also, I get flawless. I don't consider myself elite. I'm not bad. Just need a good team. [spoiler]i hate this map[/spoiler]

the experience wouldn't necessarily be better if more played the game mode.. more of the same is not going to make it better. That said, more people would likely play if the system gave them something to enjoy. With the game winding down, less people are going to play, and even less are willing to be sponges to the bullets that head there way when they are less competent than others. I will say that lag would be less an issue with more playing based on the matchmaking system bungie employs.. so yes, more players would make the experience better from a lag perspective. In order for more players to get involved with Trials, an equitable solution needs to be found. If bungie started enforcing its end user agreement where they do not allow guardians to make money on the game and therefore shut down the paid carries, less elite players would choose to continue to play after going flawless themselves as there is no money in it for them. This would then remove more players from the player pool and allow for less skilled players to keep at it and possibly have a way of reaching the rewards at 5/7 or 9 wins regardless of going flawless or not. By allowing the paid carries bungie is encouraging top players to stay in the player pool to both earn money and knock other players out of contention for rewards. This inturn causes players like myself to simply not play because the system is stacked against us.. I understand that people can play raids over and over and for no rewards, but, those carries, those attempt do not interfere with other players ability to get rewards, further, there is very little money being made in raid carries. Trials is against others and while I understand the wish for some to play it over and over because they are having fun, that fun doesn't come at the expense of bungies coding but, at the expense of other players and there pocketbooks, artificially inflating the pool of players available as competition and in such a way that it completely deters less skilled players from even attempting to play. as you say, the incentive needs to be there for players to play. The incentive currently is there for the elites, rewards and money.. the incentive is certainly not there for the avg and below avg players, change that and plenty more would play. While there may not be enough time or want to change trials for Vanilla destiny, perhaps for destiny 2, the end game pvp competition can provide the incentives for all parties wishing to play

Not really, because now everyone is running some one else's account... But I agree with everything else.

account recoveries (other player logs in to your own account an plays your character for you) I assume is what you are talking about with "everyone is running some on else's account" and while that may look like more people playing, the result is still a carry, likely paid for and would cease if bungie enforced its own rules.

Yeah that's exactly what I'm saying. You had said that the elite players would leave, but they won't leave. They'll just be running some one else's account. Why is it called a recovery?

I'm guessing... recovering from an initially low kd. Maybe not even to reflect a higher kd than the player's current ability, but to make up for the long climb from sucktitude. That's completely a guess, but it's the only thing that makes sense to me.

for the most part the elites will leave as there is little incentive for them to play someone elses account to go flawless if there is nothing in it for them which currently consists of a monetary gain. Take that away and there would be no incentive for account recoveries unless done for a few friends etc. Once a player has gone flawless, there would be little incentive for the elite player to continue to play aside from the prospect of being the heel and stopping other players from reaching the lighthouse. The monetary incentive is huge for many guardians, take that away and you effectively remove them once they have gone flawless. Sure there will always be a few who enjoy playing for whatever reason, but, a significant number would stop after 3 flawless runs. As for why it is called recovery.. your guess is as good as mine..

I'm not calling it that. Sounds like something someone made up to make it cooler than it actually was.

to be honest, when I have an issue with my work pc, I call a specialist and they will do an account recovery. they take control of my system and do whatever is necessary to get my system back up and running being they are the experts etc.. So I am guessing it has to do with that.. personally I think it should be called Trials Russian Roulette after the number of players who have gambled on this and had there characters deleted but, account recovery sounds far more pleasant.

Bungie could offer a freelance Trials mode where people aren't allowed to have fireteams and it at least be a place where people can try it out for fun as opposed to being used for a career lol. It may be harder to go flawless there but maybe not, who knows? I just like the idea that no one in there could carry ANYONE!