But not in raids

Why? If it's optional. Not attacking, just asking.

I do believe there should be more ways to group up in game explored. But that said, i can understand why bungie dont make it optional. Heres why i think that is. Bungie want your first raid experience to worthwhile, and not be off putting. So lets say you have optional mm. You load in and you realise that 3 people arent talking. 1 guy is playing loud music down the mic. 1 guy wont shut up asking random questions. Nobody knows who is leader. How do you move forward in these conditions? You go away feeling confused and pissed off. Fk raiding!!! Now im not saying this will happen 100% of the time. But lets be totaly honest, optional mm will heavily attract those with no mic, under levelled, lesser skilled etc. And making any kind of meaningfull progress this way will be hit or miss. So you go to lfg and type up a post "New raider here, lf 5 more w mic, must be entry level raid light, and be willing to stick together to learn. First timers welcome, but exp guides appreciated too. Msg for invite" Lfg/recruitment can be frustrating as hell, but at least it is more structured. You all have mic, you have a leader. You have a clear picture of the task going forward. You might fail, but you are 100% learning the fundamentals of assembling a raid team, and trying to communicate to work together well. And because you've sought each other out, you are instantly more valued to each other than if you were 6 randoms who have just spawned in to optional mm. So more likely to stick it out and try get through it. So based on that, as a first time raider, i'd bet that you would be more inclined to want to try raiding again after lfg'ing a team, as opposed to constantly zoning in and out of optional mm, until hopefully by some chance you land in with 5 decent guys with mic and a leader. 'Optional' mm sounds good when you say it. But on further reflection, the grim reality is that the chaotic and random nature of it would scare of way more first timers than the shit show that is lfg ever could. And for that reason i dont think we will have it. My solution would be a raid/quest board in the tower where you could post a quick lfg and you can toggle options for light level and mic. For instance i put up a Wrath of the machine lfg. Check a box that says 380, check a must have mic box. Then when 5 others see it and they are 380 w mic. They check the box too and it puts them all in my fire team. I then inv them all to a party chat. Monster hunter 3u had a similar set up on the wii u and it worked great.

Thank you, that makes a lot of sense. If anything add MM to the older raids.

Why not in raids? Does anybody these days understand the word OPTIONAL?

I know it's optional, but the matchmaking is going to be hell for us all, and what is it with you guys just suddenly pissed off with the world, like fr you need to chill