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Edited by Twotall:
10/11/2016 11:57:10 AM
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Community, brainstorm how Bungie can make the highest impact primaries viable
I've always been a significant fan of the highest impact/slowest fire archetype of weapons since I started Destiny. It just feels good to do as much damage as possible in a single shot.
Right now the TTK for anything but head shots is significantly lower for Low RoF weapons just because they take so long to fire their shots but their head shots have a [u][i][b]VERY[/b][/i][/u] small increase to TTK compared to the fastest RoF weapons.
So when just looking at TTK based on body/head shots you would think that the archetypes are balanced... this is where you need more information, because they aren't really balanced. What you sacrifice going with the slowest RoF weapons is flinch.
I may be wrong, but it feels to me that every weapon (or rather bullet regardless of the weapon it came from) has the same amount of flinch. You can say that high caliber rounds helps but because you cannot easily research this in your day-to-day play (when you fire a high caliber weapon at someone you cant actually see the flinch they are experiencing) we have very little idea of the difference.
Based on this, the shear fact that you have more bullets hitting your target in a period of time with the high RoF archetypes and similar to comparable TTK you have almost no choice to go with the highest RoF (or near highest, looking at you Hawksaw) archetype of each weapon.
I get that the really skilled with these weapons can use them, get all head shots, and shave 0.13-0.14 seconds (scout rifles-pulse rifles, the only two types of weapons that it even makes any sense to go with the slow RoF) off their time to kill from the optimal archetype... but why would they give up crazy flinch (mostly pulse, some scout) or 0.2 seconds TTK body shots (only scouts, pulse is equal)...
Then you bring up things like auto rifles and hand cannons where it makes NO sense based on TTK to run low RoF archetypes at all... you literally dont even get a faster TTK on head shots. The only place in competitive crucible it makes to take the lowest RoF is Iron Banner, and that's only for hand cannons and only because you can two shot lower light (5-10) guardians with head shots (I was doing 100-103 dmg per head shot this iron banner with The Lingering Song on a lot of players)
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Now comes the part where I challenge the community to brainstorm how Bungie can bring the slow RoF weapons (mostly scout, auto, hand cannon) into the meta.
My idea is to make them have stronger innate "target tracking/stickyness" (but not aim assist, the bit where bullets magnetize to the target) and while the weapon is equipped the player has an innate resistance to flinch.
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They can start by not nerfing everything else to make that happen.
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This might seem like a bit of a crazy idea, but I think that Bungie should possibly reduce the amount of archetypes in a weapon class. Because look at like this: for primaries, there are 14 total archetypes among all the weapon types. Now each one of these weapons types has their own purpose. Scout rifles are marksmen weapon that reward a skilled hand and are you for dealing steady damage at a fairy good range. Pulses are a burst weapon that are meant to be used in the mid-range and reward guardians who know to properly to handle their odd, burst recoil. Autos are mid to short range weapons that are very user friendly and forgiving. And for the most part, they are meant to be a solid choice for just about anything. And hand cannons, a short range weapon that can do massive and swift damage in it's effective range. But now when you add multiple archetypes each weapon type, things can become a little redundant. For example, the super high RoF scouts almost become like the low RoF autos, except they have, and are more effective at, range. And the super low RoF pulses almost obtain the range and precision of scouts, except they have burst fire. And this problem also occurs in special and heavy weapons. So I think bungie may want to limit the archetypes inside a weapon class to around 2. If they do this, I think the archetypes will still matter and feel different to their counter part, but it will also make sure weapons purposes don't blurred.
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2 RepliesBest thing would probably be put the high rof/low impact weapons in their places.. cough cough pulse rifles
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8 RepliesGive them the fastest kill time. But hard to use. Better accuracy=faster kill
