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Edited by King Nis:
6/22/2016 11:46:58 PM
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There seems to be some misinterpretation on Dead Orbits intentions. Most people are under the impression they are cowards and want to run away. While this might be entirely true, their motives for "running away" are actually to expand the numbers of humanity from one single planet to across the Systems.
Dead Orbit has the largest fleet within all of the three factions. Evidence of this is supported by Commander Zavala's comments in regards to needing Dead Orbits fleet to even go beyond the rings of Saturn. He states this during is idle dialogue in game. The Araach within the Tower keeps close communication with the Vanguard and often has Dead Orbit Scouts deep within areas that even the Vanguard won't go. Dead Orbit was even the first to crack the transmission sent to the Cabal Empire and know for certain, that even though it was light-years away, whoever it was sent to - got it. From a technological standpoint, they're not dumb and have some of the most advanced tech out there.
Dead Orbit knows the Darkness is coming and quickly. They fear for Humanities survival and see going to the stars, to spread out and leave Earth behind for them evil that's all engulfing the planet as a tactic for just that - survival.
It's not running away when it's considered advancing in another direction. In this case, abandoning Earth and looking elsewhere.
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I just wanted revenant
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"Once, deep space explorers were seen as heroes. Now, for suggesting humanity should look beyond this system, some call us cowards." - Arach Parnell.
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Yes, Dead Orbit has so far been useful. They're using their fleet to provide valuable intelligence to the Vanguard. Here's the problem though, their endgame is we abandon Earth and aggressively expand across the stars until no single threat can hurt us. While not a bad plan on paper, we know for a fact that this plan is a dead end for us. Even if we had the men and materiel for this undertaking (we probably don't), the plan is impossible long term. The very philosophy of the Darkness demands our extinction, and it has consumed civilizations many times more expansive than Dead Orbit can even begin to dream of. It can't be outrun. The only entity with even the slightest chance of beating it back is the Traveler. Where's the Traveler? Why, it's sitting in a coma over Earth, the planet Dead Orbit wants to abandon.
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Actually, even the races that were previously with the traveler and the darkness managed to travel across galaxy (maybe even universe?). We see that in the Fallen and Cabal. The technology exists in the game, even if we need to take it from another racr. Hell, the tech for manipulating time exists, so anything is possible. Combine tech for space travel with time manipulation and it would be possible to travel the universe in a matter of seconds.
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The Cabal have act silly never encountered Love thy or Dark before our system. Their sole purpose for being here is a he study of acquisition of Vex tech. The only reason the Fallen haven't been completely wiped out is that with the Traveler so close the Darkness hasn't bothered finishing them off yet. They are the singular exception though. The only race to ever process the Traveler who don't any longer and are still alive
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I disagree, they have no idea where they are going, no proof they can even get us there since the farthest any known colony ship has gone is the reef, no proof that any star system hase planets that can support human life, and Oryx's arrival in the sol system (ours) is evidence that, if not the darkness, then species like the hive will hunt us down to extinction, the book of sorrows is evidence of this In fact most of the cards state as much, the fallen are on the verge of extinction, the cabal may be retreating away from something worse then Oryx, the only known race that is thriving is the hive, all the others we are aware of thus far have been wiped out by the hive, we only know of them thanks to the books of sorrow So in summary DO: are preparing to leave the system (fools) NM: wants a single all powerful ruler (n@zis) FWC: are preparing for the next inevitable war (sounds reasonable)
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Edited by Hades God Mind: 6/23/2016 4:54:22 AMYou need to re-read the Books of Sorrow then. You say that if the Hive don't hunt us, the Darkness will. The Hive are one of the "Darkest," enemies out there. Also, the Vex are a thriving civilization, who can actually exploit their time traveling abilities, but haven't yet. The Cabal obviously aren't just as powerful as we have seen them on Mars or the Dreadnaught. They have an emperor. Dead Orbit actually knows this, and shared the information with the Tower. Also, you say that we don't know if we'll find life-sustainable planets. There is a loophole in this. We have garnments that can synthesize a suitable atmosphere, as seen on every single planet we've been on with no air/safe atmosphere. Also, if Dead Orbit finally got their way and sent out colony ships to different planets, and found a planet with only element (minerals, fuel, water, etc.) resources, we could send Frames or Exos to obtain the resources. Supporting this argument even more, all organic alien enemies we face such as Fallen, Cabal, and Hive, prove that there are life-sustaining planets out in the galaxy. There are so many stars/solar systems in our galaxy that for every grain of sand on earth there are 10,000 stars. There is bound to be at least a few planets that can sustain life. PS: The enemies we face besides the Vex and maybe the hive have to come either from the Milky Way, the Andromeda, or one of the many dwarf galaxies that are in a cluster of celestial bodies called the Local Group. This is because the Universe is expanding, and it is expanding at an exponential rate, meaning it gets faster and faster as time goes on. When it expands, the bodies in the existing Universe have to fill in the space, and spread apart. The Local Group is held together, and not torn apart because they are close enough to affect each other with gravity. But, the other galaxies outside of the Local Group are moving away faster and faster, meaning that unless we find a way to travel faster than light, or we find out how to teleport, we can never escape the Local Group. Doesn't that make you feel lonely? Anyway, the Vex and Hive may come from different galaxies because both of them can teleport in some way.
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[quote]I disagree, they have no idea where they are going,[/quote] I don't disagree with you there. Your comments are probably accurate. However, at the same time I understand that you disagree, but we really have no idea what Dead Orbit is up to. All of this is also just pure speculation and taken from bits of pieces of information that are either read, or heard in-game. It's common knowledge that we all know what each Faction wants and/or is doing. But realistically, we're all here to pick and pull information from each other to better understand what little we actually know about the Factions. There's plenty of secrecy between the Factions. A lot that we don't know and probably won't ever know. And I've only given a small effort to read and understand the Book of Sorrows - the Hive are probably my least favorite race lore-wise, so I haven't bothered to fully read anything. I do have to disagree with only one more thing, that not every alien race we encounter in the future may be hostile. Thanks for the response, man!
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No not every alien race may not be hostile, books of sorrows also points this out And I do agree with you since I also don't fully agree with FWC, I have no love for this machine they seem to be obsessed with, each life wasted on that thing is one less gun in the fight when the real fighting begins, but at least FWC will fight, as well as NM DO plan seems too big of a risk since they have too little information, seems more like suicide to me, we have better chances standing our ground, recent events in ttk are evidence for this, we just need more Intel in what exactly "the darkness" is and what did "it" use against us to bring us to the brink And one last point I feel I have to make, DO plan is unoriginal, the colony ships wrecked out in the reef had the same idea, they never made it out, something kept them in the solar system, is that something still there on the edges of our system? Ignoring any long range jump ships in favor of larger colony ships? Too many risks, not enough supporting data
