Society also expects people to rebel and reveres them in some sense (hence the 'cool guy' image not being some straight-edge nerd who goes to all his classes and never does anything bad) and you just demonstrated you personify that, so there goes your argument.

[quote]Society also expects people to rebel and reveres them in some sense (hence the 'cool guy' image not being some straight-edge nerd who goes to all his classes and never does anything bad) and you just demonstrated you personify that, so there goes your argument.[/quote] I went to pretty much all of my classes though. It isn't that I rebelled, I just followed my own way. You're reaching pal. Or are you going to say next that society expects you to follow your own path? [spoiler]because it doesn't. It expects conformity. You must fit into these boxes nicely. If not, you're an outlier, and subsequently outcast. [/spoiler]

There's a difference between societal expectations and 'things that happen in society'. A homeless person was not put there because society expects some people to be bums. Just because you think you aren't pressured to do things tho, doesn't mean you aren't. You're told you have to be successful, you're told you have to 'make it' in life. Homeless people are shamed for being lazy. Lazy people are shamed for not working hard, because working hard is seen as something everybody should do. But nobody likes a square. You are expected to let your hair down at some point and some do so more or less than others. To say these expectations don't affect you in the slightest one way or the other is frankly immature, because these are the things you've been told since day 1 and have been surrounded by ever since. Even if you think you're a social outcast, society has had an effect on that through what it considers good and bad. All I am asking you do is explain that effect.

[quote]There's a difference between societal expectations and 'things that happen in society'. A homeless person was not put there because society expects some people to be bums. Just because you think you aren't pressured to do things tho, doesn't mean you aren't. You're told you have to be successful, you're told you have to 'make it' in life. Homeless people are shamed for being lazy. Lazy people are shamed for not working hard, because working hard is seen as something everybody should do. But nobody likes a square. You are expected to let your hair down at some point and some do so more or less than others. To say these expectations don't affect you in the slightest one way or the other is frankly immature, because these are the things you've been told since day 1 and have been surrounded by ever since. Even if you think you're a social outcast, society has had an effect on that through what it considers good and bad. All I am asking you do is explain that effect.[/quote] It just doesn't effect me in any noticeable manner. You don't seem to get that sometimes, expectations just don't do anything to the person they're placed on. Everything that's ever happened in your life can have an effect on your subconscious, but not everything, certainly not for everyone. You're literally prohibiting people from answering honestly because you can't comprehend it in their manner. Your ignorance is showing pal, might want to censor it quick.

If you are indifferent to an expectation, that is an effect of the expectation. Thank you for the clarification.

That isn't an effect. You don't understand how this works do you? An effect of it would be some form of increased drive, or action in turn, like rebelling. To be indifferent of it means that it has no actual effect, meaning the cause has no eventual effect. There is no action due to it.

An effect is caused by something. Something that prompts a response therefore has an effect. Any response to an expectation is an effect of it. Whether that be positive, negative, or indifference; a response is an effect. You wouldn't know you felt indifference towards it had it not been brought up in the first place.

But the indifference isn't caused by the expectations. It was already there.

The expectation has been there just as long, even if you hadn't thought about it up until a specific point. Hence the indifference always being there too. You can't have a response to something that hasn't been brought up yet, therefore indifference TO an expectation, must be the effect of that expectation, even if they somehow appeared together.