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originally posted in: The Worm Gods ARE NOT Ahamkara
6/12/2016 5:40:11 PM
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A lot of attention is given to the physical attributes of the worms and ahamkara. For instance some have bones as we see with the giant bones on the moon and the smaller ones on the armour and for others chitin is mentioned (let alone the wings). However I would suggest this does not matter so much. The worm gods gave oryx the power to shape the universe as he desires. They gift the hive with the ability to define their own shape. Oryx grows wings, not a typical hive trait and we can assume that the hive in current form are vastly changed from the original Krill on the fundament. If the worm gods gave them this power then we can assume that they are capable of it too and much more besides. So in conclusion; worm, dragon, feathers, bones, chitin none of it really matters because we are talking about an alien species and trying to fit them into real world earth taxonomy wont work. They could have all these features or none. Some could choose to look one way and others another way. The only thing that connects these things is their language which is psychic in nature and transcends the death of their physical form (as with the armour pieces). I would argue they are the same psychic entity taking whatever form they please and always making pacts with other beings. The worm gods make a pact with the hive, Just as the Ahamkara or wish dragons do deals with the guardians. Perhaps they had the same dark intentions as the worm gods and that is what caused the hunt? Perhaps the guardians chose the path that the Leviathan suggested to Oryx and his sisters and killed the ahamkara rather than deal with them.
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  • I admit, that is convincing speculation. However, I could argue some of those points, and in the end I don't agree. The difference is that you are not making an illogical conclusion, therefore I respectfully disagree.

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  • I wouldn't say the conclusion that the worms and ahamkara are the same is illogical. Only that it isn't 100% certain. I personally think they are the same but appear in multiple forms possible due to life cycles and metamorphosis or due to being gods and appearing as whatever they please. One important thing not to forget is that this is a narrative. The language cues were left in the lore for us to find for a reason. Either some writer somewhere in bungie is trolling the hell out of us or they are dropping clues to a deeper narrative. It wouldn't make narrative sense to drop these hints and not have them pay off later. Bungie's games often have religious themes running through them. The notion that there could be evil worm gods and possibly good ahamkara and them both belong to the same species is not that farfetched. IOryx even says in the book of sorrows about the dragons that his gods should be his alone or something like that. Directly stating that what he sees as dragons are gods like his but are partnered with another race. Again we won't know until we see so this is speculation but I do feel that the evidence is stacked in this direction. I will concede they may only be extremely closely related but at this point with what we know they're so close they may as well be the same thing.

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  • P. S. Your name makes me laugh every time I see the notification. AN ENTIRE T REX has just responded.

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  • I'm sorry. I meant to say that it is illogical to believe that it is fact. My bad.

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