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originally posted in: Why do people always want to wipe?
5/20/2016 2:20:33 PM
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Last week we brought in three randoms who were all pros. Our fireteam leader died (he was embarrassed- made us all watch the clip; it was true, he was low on health when the shade was killed, and upon leaving the shade inexplicably insta-died) so we were a man short. I was in mid with another titan, who calmly asked what plate the fireteam leader was on. He headed out and manned it perfectly, with everyone helping on ogres so I had no problems. He even stopped to pop weapons of light the next cycle, before heading out. It's nice when everyone knows what they are doing, and you can adjust on the fly with a minimum of words.
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  • See that is what I love to hear, people making adjustments when things go wrong. Omg how I wish you could hear the audio in the video. First off when the guy died he was yelling that his game glitched out and kept yelling it. (Mind you this was the guy that caused both wipes on totems and killed 3 people at Golgoroth so he was on the defensive) I didn't care how he died I just wanted to know which plate he was, so I said 3 times in my normal voice "which plate are you". Then I had to yell which plate were you finally he said he was plate two. The extra Titan in the middle got confused or he wasn't listening so he decided to run to the plate late and kill himself to see if it will do damage, it didn't so that's when the team said its a wipe. I just stood still and was wondering how we could finish. One person was about to jump up and I was begging him not to and said we can 4 man this as long as I am on the plate with 2 ogres. I also told 2 and 3 to kill both of their ogres as a team then focus on the knights after. Sure enough at the end we did it, it was fun though :)

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  • I haven't watched the video yet (am at work); have to check it out when I get home. Yeah it's disappointing that you don't record voices from party chat; I have old recordings of my original clan in Crota (fireteam chat), and the best ones are when we are regrouping after a checkpoint and people are ragging on each other. Or the ones where the team is tensely making call outs before I go up and hit Crota with the sword, and the collective cheer, and exclaimations about loot ("Ohhh sheeet! Swordbreaker b*itches!"). Nowadays everyone goes in party chat, so the recordings are all silent. Yeah I wish your audio was in there- from the descriptions it sounds awesome. Screaming and "Do not wipe! Do not wipe! Houston, do not wipe!" (I know there's no Houston, just had to stick it in there).

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  • and this is why people should learn how to handle every position in every encounter. I should never hear crickets when asking who will take golgoroths gaze, or who wants to run, or, well, any freaking thing. worst thing you can say to someone who has actually spent time and effort learning the raid = "I always do ___, so I don't know how to do ___. ".

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  • This is true, but it is a two way street. I myself want to learn EVERY part of each raid so that no matter what group I get with, I can play whatever part is needed. But back when there was only VoG, the inevitable question would come up: "Okay, who is running the relic?" Now up to that point I had never run the relic, though I'd seen it done like 4 different ways. I told them I had no idea how but that I would do it. Any time you've never done something like that, it will take a few deaths to learn what to do and actually build a rhythm with it. That group was repeatedly butthurt that we died twice at templar while I was figuring relic out. They got whiny and upset until one douche finally said, "Fine I'll run it, I can do it." Keep in mind, none of them were really explaining what I should do or how I should do it, and when they asked, I got the "Seriously bro? Seriously?" Basically if people aren't dicks, things work better. I had a great team show me kings fall. Because they actually didn't mind helping, we all knew every job and rocked that -blam!-ing raid. When someone died, we knew which plate needed to be manned. Because someone took time to explain the daughters, we all knew what to do when it randomly chose us. We all knew how to steal gaze and run the red bubble of death in case someone else died. Moral: Raiding is better without douches.

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  • I hear ya. obviously I had to start somewhere, just as everyone else has, does, what has you. I am generally very open to explaining a new position, and can be very patient while someone figures it out. heck, I have done six or seven runs through hard mode in one week before, but I guess what I was trying to get across, is that is frustrating when someone says they are a seasoned and experienced raider, but they are lost if they don't get to do what they always gravitate to.

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  • Right. I kinda like the daughters in kings fall how at first it just randomly picks someone to be the platform climber. That kinda makes somebody learn a vital role. When I was being taught, I was the first sorry ass clown that got that role lol. But I had kinda researched the whole raid so I wouldn't be a total dumbass. Handled it pretty well after going through it with the fireteam leader, like where to stand with the shield etc.

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  • Yeah totally- week before last, I think, we had bad randoms each run. Guys who would loudly claim a spot- and it would become apparent they were doing this to cover for their deficiencies. They'd argue about strategies. I usually enter an area and go toward my usual spot- but I never say anything (well...I don't use a mic), am ready to move wherever I'm needed. Left, right center- whatever. The one thing I haven't done is take gaze (my fireteam leader wants to hear the countdown). A couple of days ago we had an interesting Oryx finish. We had a random running relic, but he clearly wasn't comfortable with it, and after a few wipes, he essentially curled up into a ball and flatly said he was taking a plate (he wasn't comfortable in mid either) and ran over to plate three. We had a guy who had never beaten hard mode, who died twice, and our fireteam leader would ask me to flip out to cover plate two (I was in mid with the titan). When I wasn't covering plate two, I was looking for the fourth knight, sometimes the third (our fireteam leader was running his brother's account, didn't have spindle, ToM, exotic sword, sleeper, etc.), and with us being short on ToMs, I had to take out the 4th knight, help on the vessel, spin and fire into Oryx's chest. Was pretty intense, but felt good to get it done.

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