I agree with you mate, I was running Verizon fios and hitting the Bungie animal zoo. Swapped to Xfininty and it died down to a small farm but still having copeous amount of issues. I have ran DMZ, killed firewalls, Port forwarded, bridge modes, differant routers and the only issues I have is when I play destiny. as far as being wired of not, my other xbox is wireless and errors less then my wired one. There needs to be a Connection based system in the p2p not skillbased. Dedicated servers all around would make players overall pleased with there connections. If you want to compete with other games like COD or Halo then you need to match up. Its like using all the OP weapons in the crucible, if you want to be prideful and use the weapons that do not give you the OP status and go based off of skill. Then don't complain when you fail or you player set turns there backs. Take everquest for example, they turned ther backs on there players requests and WoW came around saying we can do those things and now look. WoW is HUGE. If you are here to make profit only and not care about your fan base then you will spike and die. If you care about your player base then take a hit, and overtime become huge. IDK, I believe I am not ranting about other topics, but in the end. They need to fix there networks issues and stop the P2P crap.