[quote]Problem with being bad isn't being bad, its being bad about being bad (are you following?). If you say, as we start the raid, "I don't know what to do, teach me" I'll gladly help you through and if you post on the forum "286 Light. first time" I'll still invite you. The problem is when people lie, and the rest of the group suffers for it, and the confrontation that ultimately follows. People know when someone isn't doing their job, or isn't quite aware of what's going on. The annoyance hits when the n00bs pretend that they know, or that Youtube is all you need and start getting pissy about it. That's when you get booted. Ultimately, people just need to be more mature and honest when they use the Internet. I was once a scared little Defender, doing VoG for his first time in HoW because he was too frightened to use the LFG, but the worst thing you can do in that moment is pretend you know more than you do.[/quote]that is completely right. U have to admit if u need help, or u can't expect to get it