I was thinking about coming back for the April 12 update. After watching the stream and seeing the big "fuk off" Bungo gave to PvE, I'm sad to say that my legend ends here. Bungo is doing a much better job of killing Destiny than any other game.

well the first step in being taken seriously is spelling [b]guarantee[/b] right

F@#% Another Stupid nerf based on PVP. I never buy this game for PVP. But they keep destroying the game for PVP. I will just play PVE after the nerf if it garbage I will stop playing at all and never buy the Destiny 2. Or another Destiny if the are not separate PVP from PVE.

[quote]Warlocks do not need a nerf.[/quote] Stopped reading right there

Its just lazy design plain and simple

They could literally remove every ability on the tree besides fireborn, and it's still be a good pve class. That said, who the hell uses Viking funeral in PvE?

I posted this in another thread, I'll post it here too. Just my opinion. My biggest issue is with the sniper rifle change, from a PvE player's perspective. I should start by saying I don't even play Destiny anymore, but that doesn't mean I don't have fun following it and seeing how it evolves. I played it for a long time for many hours. Snipers are pretty much the primary source of DPS in PvE. There's no more Gjallarhorn, and unless it's a fight with specific mechanics that don't really require sustained weapon DPS (like staggering Oryx and damaging him with blight bomb detonations, for example) sniper rifles are your best source of constant and high DPS. Nerfing the amount of ammo you can carry is a big hit to overall DPS. They claimed to have offset that by increasing the amount of special ammo that will drop off enemies, but that is only good when you don't need to sustain DPS. On fights like Golgoroth or Warpriest, you could easily pop an ammo synth and drain through that whole magazine in one DPS phase. Now, each ammo synth effectively grants you less ammo and thus less DPS. I'm not saying this because it absolutely ruins PvE, players will adapt and bosses aren't all that tough to begin with, I'm just illustrating the effect of PvP nerfs on PvE encounters. It has to stop. The game can't continue to be balanced around PvP. Most of the changes they mentioned in the stream today impact the PvE world in a negative way, from lesser flame shield absorption, to MIDA high caliber round removal, to lower sniper stability and ammo capacity. It was very nice that they increased the reload speed of Kingsfall primary weapons, but sadly those aren't the primary source of meaningful DPS. Primaries are used to kill thrall, acolytes. The Hung Jury does a mighty fine job of that already. Snipers, Machine guns are a big deal in end game PvE activities, and both got hit with snipers being hit the hardest. Makes me shake my head that they continue to fail at finding a balance between both PvP and PvE activities. Especially when PvE activities are really where you want to feel powerful. There's no down side to players feeling buffed in PvE. There certainly is a down side to continuing to make their characters feel enfeebled.

I liked how Deej asked the question regarding keeping PvP and PvE separate. Then it just went back to the normal excuses so it didnt result in anything. A good deal of games have individual PvP tweaks, to make sure that an ability will be useful there or because it would otherwise require a nerf - a nerf that would hit PvE hard. It is crucial to do these individual tweaks. I get that it would require a complete overhaul of the current system - and I hope that they've changed the way they are allowed to tweak things in destiny 2 - so I dont expect any changes in this Destiny BUT it would be freaking awesome if they could come out and say it instead of coming up with these ridiculous excuses. Look, if the players can deal with an ability being an off-taunt in PvE and a DCD in PvP - which are completely different abilties - in games such as swtor then I'm pretty sure that the Destiny players can deal with a small tweak to RoF or DoT duration. Lastly, one thing that really stod out is sniper reserves. Do they even play this game? They just brush it off with "well green ammo will drop more frequently in in PvE". That's it. Nevermind the fact that it will undoubtedly affect both the warpriest and Golgoroth in the current raid. I'm not saying that the raid is hard or that having to compromise your position to pick up ammo more frequently is a huge obstacle but you can't deny that it will affect the way we play the game.

No weapon had its base damage nerfed beside bullet hoses and last word, and last word is a PvP weapon. And warlock's were barley touched

What they need to do is rebalance old classes to make them more viable in pve. Only defenders and nightstalkers are considered valuable in the raid. I mean when was the last time you saw a voidwalker, striker or blade dancer in pve when it wasn't someone messing about.

They didn't nerf it calm the f*** down