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3/18/2016 8:16:29 PM
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So you hate gays?
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Lol learn to read. I never said that.
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[quote]Because it's commie bullshit pushing the liberal agenda.[/quote]So these points are just made-up bullshit? [quote]1. Discrimination. It is still legal in the majority of states to discriminate against gay and trans people with regards to employment. Obama made gay and trans discrimination illegal for government jobs, but most jobs are not government jobs. So yeah, we can get married now... and then we can go to work the next day and get fired by our homophobic boss. 2. Adoption. Many politicians (Republicans) and a lot of the public are still against gay adoption, and while it is now legal in almost every state, Republican politicians nation-wide are actively trying to repeal those rights. 3. Homelessness. Due to a combination of job discrimination and unaccepting, unloving parents, 40% of homeless youth are gay and trans. This affects trans youth even harder, and homeless trans youth are disproportionately sexually assaulted at homeless shelters. 4. Trans rights. Discrimination, bullying, and hate crimes are even worse against trans people than they are against gay people. 41% of trans people have attempted suicide, generally due to lack of acceptance, inability to afford (and lack of insurance coverage for) trans-related medical care, or due to homelessness caused by inability to find work because of discrimination. In addition, Republicans all over the country are continuing to attempt to roll out "bathroom bills" that would force trans people into unsafe spaces. 5. HIV and AIDS. This doesn't so much have to do with equality, but it's still an important issue. HIV and AIDS disproportionally affect gay men, and this has been a major issue for the community since the 80s.[/quote] Nope. Those are real things and real issues.
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But it's not gay or trans issues. Those are human issues. Taking gays or trans who are just part of this statistics and calling that oppression is like saying: "Every day, helicoptersexuals are being attacked and killed, while others are homeless because they were never loved by their parents."
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[quote]But it's not gay or trans issues. Those are human issues. Taking gays or trans who are just part of this statistics and calling that oppression is like saying: "Every day, helicoptersexuals are being attacked and killed, while others are homeless because they were never loved by their parents."[/quote]But some of those issues disproportionately effect LGBT people.
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Edited by Lord Sicarius: 3/18/2016 11:57:43 PMAnd affects everyone else. So yay! They're going through the same things we all are! Equality.
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[quote]And affects everyone else. So yay! They're going through the same things we all are! Equality.[/quote]People get kicked out and disowned by their parents for being straight? People get beat up, -blam!-, and killed for being straight?
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[quote][quote]And affects everyone else. So yay! They're going through the same things we all are! Equality.[/quote]People get kicked out and disowned by their parents for being straight? People get beat up, -blam!-, and killed for being straight?[/quote] People get kicked out for their beliefs, also for their own stupidity. They also get kicked out for misbehaving or rebelling. Many Christians get disowned by their parents because they want nothing to do with it. Christians are getting decapitated. Your point? Just because gays and trans go through crap, doesn't mean you have to tell the world you are going through life. Others have it even harder
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[quote][quote]And affects everyone else.So yay! They're going through the same things we all are!Equality.People get kicked out and disowned by their parents for being straight? People get beat up, -blam!-, and killed for being straight?[/quote] People get kicked out for their beliefs, also for their own stupidity. They also get kicked out for misbehaving or rebelling. Many Christians get disowned by their parents because they want nothing to do with it. Christians are getting decapitated. Your point? Just because gays and trans go through crap, doesn't mean you have to tell the world you are going through life. Others have it even harder[/quote]So because someone else has it harder in some third world country, we shouldn't treat people equally or with respect in our own country?
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*looks at previous posts* *scrolls through all* I'm pretty sure I did not find any of my posts saying we shouldn't treat everyone with respect. I'm just saying that bringing up how gays and trans are being oppressed is not a valid argument because everyone goes through these things. I respect gays and trans, but I don't agree with their lifestyle. However, if they're gonna shove in my face how oppressed they are by people like me, I have the constitutional right to defend my own beliefs and lifestyle
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[quote]*looks at previous posts* *scrolls through all* I'm pretty sure I did not find any of my posts saying we shouldn't treat everyone with respect. I'm just saying that bringing up how gays and trans are being oppressed is not a valid argument because everyone goes through these things. I respect gays and trans, but I don't agree with their lifestyle. However, if they're gonna shove in my face how oppressed they are by people like me, I have the constitutional right to defend my own beliefs and lifestyle[/quote]...but they ARE being discriminated against. Legalizing same sex marriage wasn't the end of their issues. I don't know why you're bringing up your constitutional rights...
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Actually yea, a lot of that is shit that she pulled out of her ass.
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[quote]Actually yea, a lot of that is shit that she pulled out of her ass.[/quote]Such as?
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Show me some actual statistics on "panic defense" and how effective that actually is. Hint: It doesn't work. Also show me a real study that shows 40% of all homeless are gay, and it's because mommy and daddy/society didn't accept them.
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[quote]Show me some actual statistics on "panic defense" and how effective that actually is. Hint: It doesn't work. Also show me a real study that shows 40% of all homeless are gay, and it's because mommy and daddy/society didn't accept them.[/quote]I'm talking about the original points from the article. 40% of homeless YOUTHS are gay, yes. http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/americas-shame-40-of-homeless-youth-are-lgbt-kids/
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But she was saying they were homeless [i]because[/i] they were gay. Which was my point, yes there are that many but you can't solely lay that blame at societies feet, that is irresponsible.
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[quote]But she was saying they were homeless [i]because[/i] they were gay. Which was my point, yes there are that many but you can't solely lay that blame at societies feet, that is irresponsible.[/quote]Well considering the number of kids who are kicked out and cut off from their families because they're gay, I don't see how that's not something to be concerned about.
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do you know what statistics are? this means 60% of homeless youth are straight or normal. This clearly is not a gay issue
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[quote]do you know what statistics are? this means 60% of homeless youth are straight or normal. This clearly is not a gay issue[/quote]So because not a majority of LGBT kids are homeless, we shouldn't be concerned about it?
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im saying its not a GAY RIGHTS issue when everyone is suffering regardless of gender, race, etc
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[quote]im saying its not a GAY RIGHTS issue when everyone is suffering regardless of gender, race, etc[/quote]But it is a LGBT issue when you're discriminated against for being LGBT.
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if 60% of these kids are NOT gay then its not a -blam!-in hate crime you twat
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[quote]if 60% of these kids are NOT gay then its not a -blam!-in hate crime you twat[/quote]I'm not talking about hate crimes. A disproportionate number of homeless youths are LGBT. They make up, what, 5% of the population, but 40% of the homeless youths? That's a problem.
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You clearly don't know what sarcasm is.
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[quote]You clearly don't know what sarcasm is.[/quote]How am I supposed to know you're being sarcastic when a significant number of people actually think that?
