[quote]Warframe has TONS of OP weapons and skills AND it includes a dynamic PVP mode (conclave). While I am not a huge conclave player on Warframe, you can at least tell they have taken balance into consideration because some of the most fun/OP weapons and skills in PVE are not even allowed in the conclave. DO YOU GET THAT? PVP and PVE are kept ENTIRELY SEPARATE. This is how Bungie needs to manage Destiny. Because PVP nerfs are killing things for PVE players.[/quote] If I wanted to talk about Warframe, I would be on the warframe forums and not the Bungie one. I don't want Warframe to improve, I like it how it is already. What I want is Destiny to improve. So stop advertising about topics that are irrelevant, because what should be focused on is that there are problems with Destiny that need solving either with this game or the sequel. The entire purpose of this thread was to point fun at the "everything is op" mindset of the community. On a side note however, the idea that they allow nothing that is overpowered in Conclave os kinda rediculous. It is fully possible to run into a room with Iron skin on, meaning that you have effectively double health, using a heavy weapon that you just slam into the ground so your oponent is stunned as you kill them.