I have no problem with optional, but don't expect to get much done. I just spent a week with a dozen different teams trying to get them through this raid. I have come to a conclusion that the reason only 15% or so get through the raid is because 85% are god damn retarded. They don't listen, they run around shooting at each other, they start the damn sequence when they shouldn't during instructions making everybody wipe. They can't help themselves. They just can't. They shoot at the adept knights at totems before everybody is ready. I say don't shoot a gun in here because it will start, and 2 seconds later BLAM, moron shoots his gun, not once but 4 frigging times. They run to the end of the room at oryx and start it during instructions, not once but at least 3 times during instructions. They start jumping around on the plates at sisters, etc. They can't seem to tell their left from their right, they don't understand counter clockwise, they show up with shotguns, no snipers, and a frigging hand gun. They go AFK out of the blue, they crank music in the background, they sing while you're explaining mechanics. Just before we had a dude that just could not find his frigging plate at oryx. 3 wipes in a row because this dude was never where he was supposed to be. This week was a frigging nightmare. I am in total 100% agreement with digidv85 below. The horror stories are real, and they do exist. I never encountered a pack of morons as I have this week. These people have NO hope of ever going through that raid, none at all. It was like working with the minions from despicable me.