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1/22/2016 12:25:03 AM
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How are you supposed to counter a fist of havoc?

It's nothing more than a panic button. A goddamn panic button. It requires literally ZERO skill to kill people with it. You simply press a button and everyone around you dies in less than a second. Once the animation has been initiated, the only way to stop it is if you have a super, three rocket launchers, or a dozen shotguns already aimed at the guy. No other super activates that fast, so unless you have one already active, and are aiming at them, you've got pretty much no freaking chance of stopping it. What the hell are you supposed to do? Stay away from all titans at all times just in case one might have it ready? Killing a Titan before he has the chance to press the button doesn't work, as he'll simply have it ready the next time he respawns. It's simply not feasible to kill a Titan after the button's been pressed unless he's already severely wounded. Why the hell is it that whenever this is brought up on the forums, everyone jumps to its defense? The striker subclass is supposed to be unstoppable, I get it. What I don't like is how no other class has a super that's that goddamn effective. No other class has a super that, once activated, guarantees that everyone around you will die unless they either happen to have a super capable of killing you already active, or they have a fist of havoc that they can also use to survive the explosion. I know that these forums has a severe allergic reaction to the word "nerf", but I really think that Fist of Panic deserves it. At least make it so that in PVP it requires a second to charge before detonating, making their window of vulnerability slightly larger. "Press a button to instantly kill everyone around you." is OP in the crucible even amongst supers. It simply can't be countered by anything because once it's activated, you've got less than a second to react, which is not enough time to do anything capable of stopping it. Either give us a more time to counter it, or give the other classes a super each that is equally unstoppable. [b]To everyone who will inevitably side with the super and insult me in the comments below, I genuinely want to know how you can justify this. Every super has a bane, a weakness, except this one. GG has no armor and can easily be shut down, WoD can be countered by simply staying away from the bubble or blowing it up with another super, Stormcaller is easily noticable and thus gives players a chance to react and flee from it. Fist of Havoc has no weakness. If you're in range when it's activated, you will die.. If you disagree, I challenge you to explain a reliable method of not dying when you're in range of an incoming panic fist.[/b] Seriously, the only ways a FoH could actually NOT kill people is if they somehow belly flopped off the map, chose to waste it when there were no enemies around, or if they chose to belly flop at someone who already had GG aimed at them ready to fire. Also if someone reacted by activating their own belly flop so the armor would protect them, but that's assuming they're a titan and also have a ready-to-activate FoH. All of the above can be avoided with even the slightest bit of competence and should not be considered "weaknesses" of the super.

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  • It's a one time use super, I do always look for the chance to destroy a whole team but it doesn't happen all the time( since it's a whole team I get destroyed ). Only other thing it's good for is killing a super or stopping an objective. You also don't have a titan, so no one is going to take what you say seriously. I'm not taking it seriously and suggest you start one. These nerfs need to stop, they are starting to destory the game. Play the game adapt and overcome.

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  • Fist of havoc users are typically on the less skilled side, so just give them their 1 second of fame and move on lol

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  • Who cares? If a Titan uses Fist to kill 1 person in the middle of nowhere I laugh at him.

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    • If someone is killing one guy with panic fist, who cares? Thats inefficient. https://youtu.be/69NY-VRmuzE Proper fist usage.

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    • Really only problem I have is that it's the panic super everyone goes for, other than that it's fine nothing actually wrong with the super itself

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    • Its called a super for a reason rtard

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      • Edited by Noctis: 1/22/2016 5:27:46 PM
        Actually play as all three classes before you judge one. If you played as a Titan then you would know that your Fist of Havoc can be stopped... [b]a lot[/b]. Hunters are the whiniest of the community sometimes.

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      • As with every post that attacks other classes please please actually attempt to play as that class before making judgements. Your profile says you don't have a Titan. Go make one and play as one. Get a feel for one and see how it works. Once you've done that then you can make an informed judgement. As I tell others on these forums playing as the other classes is eye opening to how they work. If this action is beneath you then you are lost and no debate can be made here because you lack a fundamental understanding of Titans.

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        • You're not

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        • The need a PVP mode that is only One class so Titans would fight only other Titans, warlocks fight warlocks and hunters curl up Ina ball and cry to other hunters. That way each of the crybabies in their respective classes can see what's it's like to be killed by their own.

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        • Edited by Infamous067: 1/22/2016 3:40:26 PM
          You want to counter it? Keep your distance.. If you have trouble with being able to stay away then this game is not for you... You can easily see where people are in the radar... You can seriously cry over such a balanced super.. If you are the type that uses shotguns the. Thats also your fault... See where I'm getting at? You are getting killed because of your own damn fault... You have grenades right? Use them bro... If a super is on the way then no you cant counter it... Its like a nova bomb coming at you.. Can you counter that? No... And a warlock with full armor is almost as hard as a titans fist of havoc.. And if a warlock uses apotheosis veil... The perk is exactly like unstoppable from a titan.. Its a super bro.. And its not a roaming super so its fine and perfect the way it is... The only way anyone would agree with you would be if the striker could use the super 3 times in a row or something but its only used once... Learn to evade and engage targets at certain ranges and maybe you will realize how easy to take down a 5 feet super

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        • Edited by SuperAznStoner: 1/22/2016 3:31:25 PM
          You're mad about the strikers super working as intended because it's range is limited to 5 feet of AoE around it and is powerful and fast? Without looking, are you a hunter? Edit: I looked and can see you were born from the race of crybabies. Die stupid baby.

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          • You seriously don't see a weakness in a super where you have to get right up next to an enemy to use it? So your Blade Dance is about five times more OP, since you can get five slashes in to the Striker's one FoH....

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            • Golden gun, Nova bomb, hammer, tether, suppressor nade, snipe, shotgun

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            • You are so retarded [spoiler]could probably write a report on how stupid, pointless, and useless this post and you are.[/spoiler]

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            • By not being ass

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            • If I see a titan about to slam down fist of havoc I jump up and away and hope I get out of the blast radius which usually works. If I don't see it then I just die :P

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            • You run.

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            • Nobody sets out to only get a single kill with ANY super. From the Titan's point of view, FoH is a good solution if want to take out a group of players camped around the heavy/a control point. Let's assume then, for example, that there are 4 players in such a location. You now have to get within spitting distance of 4 players in order to kill all of them with your super. They are probably all shooting at you. It's not easy to get that close, is it? Now let's look at a similar super: Nova Bomb. I main a Warlock, so I'm very familiar with the pros and cons. On the plus side, you can achieve the same result as FoH without having to get too close. On the other hand, you tend to be firing it from waaaay up in the air - you're a massive target, basically. Plus there's a slim chance that they'll have time to move out of the way due to the animation/travel time. ALL supers can be countered. If you don't want to keep getting killed by FoH, don't let Strikers get in your face! Kill them at range - a scout rifle would work a treat.

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            • There's nothing wrong with FOH. It's supposed to be powerful. I use it to shutdown roaming supers, wipe control points, or wipe heavy crates. I've even wipe whole teams in trials with it. There really isn't a counter unless you try to move out the way. If you see a striker charging you run or move out the way. If Unstoppable is equipped there's really no stopping them. They'll survive rockets, snipes, and heavy machine guns. True story: A bladedancer popped his super near me in a rumble match. He came toward me so I popped my FOH. He blinked out of it and came at me again. Then I shotgun melee'd him out of his super. lol

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            • Edited by DSRT976: 1/22/2016 12:24:06 PM
              FoH have limited AoE and no duration, I'm use it to shutdown other supers or rivals heavy pickups. Requirements to CQB of this super is weak side. So, literally, if you allow Striker to get to you personally, while you use you own super or heavy - you deserve to die. Simple and logical.) EDIT: Less skill requires walking around by group of 2-4 guardians side-by-side with knowledge, that somewhere near them running Striker with charged super ;)

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            • Your a dumbass it is not a panic button. I use it on purpose and often if I see you coming like any other super. I get shot out of the air all the time trying to use it. Sounds like you need to get good.

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            • Learn how to dodge properly it's always funny to blink right out of someone's fist of havoc. Get good my friend get good

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            • Thanks for the laugh buddy!

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            • Edited by adam4712: 1/22/2016 11:39:53 AM
              Look at my medals count the amount of cry havocs I have, I'm an average crucible (was in year 1 at least) and I used foh the whole time the bane of is that you usually only get 1 or 2 people and it has a fairly small radius. Besides how exactly would anyone ever get a foh off is we were weak will casting it, no Titan would get any kills.

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            • You ridiculous shit

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