[quote]PvP whiners have ruined just about any weapon that was truly fun.[/quote] Really? Every weapon patch nerf I've ever read from Bungie, they quote their raw game data for the reason they are changing things. They've never once said, " Oh in the players opinion this is unfair, ok we will change it." I agree about the leveling system and the piss poor crucible network. I'm not a network engineer and I have no idea what is actually causing all the lag and neither does anyone else on this forum. Some speculate it's built into the game, (similar to BO2's lag comp system), others think it's the servers themselves. Either way, whatever it is, this is one of the most popular games right now on all consoles old and new. We should be playing on better quality servers.