While I don't necessarily agree that Trials should be removed, the whining that comes from bad crucible players is totally out of control. Most of the posts read like the author is having a tantrum and decided to jump on the forums and demand a nerf. The worst part is, Bungie listens to them more than anyone else. (Tells you something about Bungie that they so easily go into agreement with whiners.) When I was killed by Thorn repeatedly, I didn't want it nerfed. I wanted my own! So I got one. Took me 4 days to complete the crucible part (I'm not very good) but I got it. And I killed a lot of guardians with it. Until its demise, of course. Same with Found Verdict, Bad Juju, etc, etc. I never complained about them. I just went and got one for myself. Bungie NEEDS to separate the crucible from PvE. They really should implement something like COD (I think) uses - every player has access to the same set of weapons for each game. That would solve all the issues of imbalance in the crucible. Then the PvE players like me won't have to worry about whiny bad crucible players ruining our game anymore than they already have. Bungie, revert PvE weapons to original awesomeness. Make all crucible weapons equal (meaning shotgun = shotgun, scout = scout, etc). Then separate the two parts of the game. Yes, you might have to spend money on more servers, but it may save this game.