Trials is what? 10% of the PvP population? I am a PvP player since day 1, with a combined 9 days logged in the Crucible. I played PvP from lvl 5-20 on my first char, completely ignoring the singleplayer, until a Vex Mytho killed me once too often, and I decided that I need a better primary. It should also be of note that I don't play Trials. I went flawless on a my second or third try, and didn't play the mode again afterwards. 3vs3 elimination is not an enjoyable mode for me. I only played Control, IB and Rift matches seriously (meaning that I probably have 50 combined matches in other playlists). All the things you list here, needed a nerf. It's irrelevant if the Trials population wanted them or not. Thorn together with TLW (I mean, I liked Thorn, I'll be honest, and I was better than a lot of other people with it), were destroying the balance in 6vs6. The Sunbreaker was a much bigger problem in 6vs6, than he could have ever been in Trials. Pulse Rifles were better than Scouts at range, and killed faster than ARs close range. They needed a nerf. All these things were just as much of a problem outside of Trials, as they were within Trials. When one weapon type performs better in a range in which it wasn't intended to perform, then there's a problem. When one weapon reliably kills 3 times faster than anything else, there is a problem. When there's one super which overshadows every other, be it in terms of offence or defense, there's a problem. This also isn't a "git gud" issue. I'm already pretty gud. However, I wouldn't mind the removal of Trials. Maybe they'll implement a better competitive playlist then. (I have no idea what's wrong with Fusion Rifles and why Bungie just wants to destroy them. That one is way over my head, if it doesn't have to do with their P2P architecture not allowing them to perform, if they aren't OP)