ToO is the biggest problem. [quote]Yeah but try facing three people all with Thorn...[/quote] Honestly the most complaints in regular PvP have always been from PvE players who go in and get crushed because they don't know the maps or what they're doing.

This is true. I hate popping my super seeing a whole team run away instead of focus firing, then getting on the forums and seeing people say stormcaller is op. I just don't think you can focus on one game mode. Bungie creates the meta, someone thought hand cannons having the same range as scouts was a good idea at some point in development. Can you really blame the players for using the best weapons available to be competitive. Bungie really needs to get find a way to separate pvp and pve completely, this would make it easier on them to balance weapons.