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11/24/2015 12:25:27 PM
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Well AR are supposed to do more damage from mid to close range. They're actually making AR's viable again. PR's are dominating in every optimal range and other weapon class needed another buff. That's what people wanted and now we have it. We'll just have to see where it goes.
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No they are not at mid pluse should win. Now they are getting nerfed. So why would you EVER use one. Close,mid....AR mid, long ....Scout. Pluse have no place. Bungie is terrible at balance they need weapons to the point were there's no reason to use them anymore.
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Pulse rifles and hand cannons are for medium range. Autos are short range only
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No, you're wrong. Considering the rate of fire for AR's they should easily compete with PR's at mid range. Instead AR's get out gun every time. Most AR's have a higher base damage and high rate of fire that's should easily take out PR users. The nerf to pulse rifles were necessary.
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No your 100% wrong. In fact you could not be more wrong. What your saying does not make any sense. AR's should be "viable" at mid range but NOT better than pluse rifles at mid range. That would make pluse rifles completely irrelevant. You clearly don't understand balance. So here's a rule you can use that ALWAYS applies. Any change that makes a certain weapon class irrelevant IS NOT BALANCE. so ask yourself WTF is the point in a mid range gun that's not as good as a close range gun. Even at MID RANGE. That makes no sense at all.
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Edited by MrYumyum: 11/24/2015 1:28:13 PMSo are you saying PR's should out gun AR's at mid range every time? I don't think the nerf will make the weapon class irrelevant. The reduce base damage isn't even that bad of a nerf. It's reduced enough so that AR's and HC's can compete with it at their respective range. I play all three of the weapon classes I know what I'm taking about. Right now PR's are so out of balance, so you're the one who don't know balance. You're defending something that's clearly OP and it seems you don't want to lose your crutch weapon. PR's have the fastest TTK then any gun right now in the game and they needed the nerf to tone it down a notch. You're bitching like it's going to be rendered obsolete. Well news flash buddy! The nerf is only by a couple percent. Your PR will still be viable. FYI AR's are mid range gun also!!! Not just PR's. So why else should AR's fail to compete with PR's at mid range when most of my shots are registering. I should at least win 5 out 10 fights at mid range with PR's. That's not the case though. PR's are too reliable at most ranges. It was a good call from bungie to bring down the damage fall off at AR and HC's range.
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Yes pr should always beat ars at mid range like the pr always should have a disadvantage against scouts you should get rewarded for using bursts or singel precision rifles and not just hold r1. I have nothing afainst a small buff for ars but nerf prs on the other side with cqc map design wasnt necessary a small nerf would be ok but not buffa weapon for 5-8% while the other get nerfed for 5-8% i guess they will just switch roles while ars are the easiest weapon to use
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Notice how to scrubs think every weapon is a crutch weapon. the real issues is you don't know how to play. First off the EASIEST gun to use is the auto rifle. It takes no skill. Secondly, right not PR's are better at mid range but worse at close range so if I get to close I lose to an auto. But with what your suggesting why would I keep using a PR? I could switch to an auto and be JUST AS GOOD as I was at mid range. But now I don't have to worry about getting to close. Because I'm using a gun that is great up close too. There is no down side. THATS WHAT S CRITCH IS. THAT'S WHAT TOU WANT. lol.....you want one gun that can supplement you lack of awareness. Now I know you don't know what your talking about. Your the one whose actually asking for a crutch weapon. And that's a fact. You want a gun that's better at close range AND just as good at mid range. There is no balance, no give and take. No I beat you here, you beat me there. Tell me how that's not more of a crutch than a gun that's just better at mid rang or just better close. They should be "viable" at other ranges but not better or as good as the gun that specialize at that range. You can't make AR's a close and mid range gun you have to choose one or the other. You want both. Because you want to be able to run around with no map awareness and have a gun that can win the fight at any range. See that's how I KNOW you dont understand balance. Because your the one asking for the crutch gun that doesn't penalize you for not playing at its effective distance. Your request is no different than scrubs who wanted thorn to shoot across the map like a scout rifle. So they could play close or far with the same gun. So they didn't need any map knowledge to know were to be and were not to be. The "crutch" gun did it for them. And that's just what your asking for now. AR's are best at close range, so you got that covered. And now at mid range you want them as good as PR's. So where's the down side. Why use a PR? You wouldn't, PR's would be irrelevant because it would not makes sense to EVER use them. Because and AR would always be a better choice. It's not making as good as PR's at range that throw off the balance. It's making them better at close range AND as good at mid range that makes it unbalance you are literally give AR's the best of both world and any noob knows best of both worlds is just another way of daunting unbalanced.
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Well I will like to debate on this matter, but I have a life and don't feel like wasting my time on this. Well if you went over the 2.0 patch it does say AR's are supposed to do more damage at mid-range and I agree close range is unnecessary and no I'm not asking for a crutch weapon. As you can see I main HC's all across activities. So auto rifles for me are out of the question. After the patch I started using more of PR and I know how good they are. In the patch it stated that PR's are good at close to mid-long range and at close range, which is exactly why they need a nerf. PR's are good at every range, so what you just said about AR's being good at close and mid range was too much and can only be good at a specific range was dumb. I can tell that you have no knowledge of the 2.0 patch note. Here why don't you go read the section on PR's about the ranges they are effective at and tell me that they're not good at every range [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/news/news?aid=13147]link[/url]. Don't spout things that you have no proof of. It's funny how you say AR's should only be good at a certain range, which is medium range, but in the patch it clearly states that PR's are good at mid to long range also still effective at close range. So much for being good at one certain range. Goals: Pulse Rifle is optimal at medium range, but can still effectively engage enemies at close or medium-long range Rate of Fire sets a pace for players to track moving targets, and then deliver precision damage in bursts Pulse Rifles should feel strong in PVP, but don’t become the only competitive option Additionally increase their efficiency as a PVE weapon Changes: Reduce base damage of the medium RoF by about 2.5% PVP: Bursts-to-kill (all precision hits) is 2 or 3, depending on victim’s Armor stat Small reduction in base stability. A burst should still land all shots at optimal range, but three precision hits will require more weapon control to land consistently Increase magazine size on for all base inventory stats
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OMG.....don't make another post until you do something about your reading comprehension. I didn't say pluse rifles didn't need a Nerf OR that AR's should not be good at mid range. I said AR's should be "viable" at midrange that means good at mid range genius. just not as good as PR's at mid range. Not only do you not have a single clue what your talking about. But you can't even read and understand simple statements. It's good your not going to debate this anymore. Because you have no clue what your talking about and don't understand pvp AT ALL. Your Posting patch note but you don't understand what they mean. Please stop taking until you learn what your're talking about. So you don't look like a fool. And yes you absolutely want a crutch weapon. That will keep you from having to know the map. I read the patch notes when they first came out. But UNLIKE YOU, I also understood them. So let me EXPLAIN them to you. The goal is to have the AR's be able to compete with PR's at mid rang. And to have PR's COMPETE with scouts at long range. NOT, I repeat NOT to have AR's be as good as PR's at mid range OR PR's be as good as scouts at long range. Good god how could you not understand that. You've lost any and all Credibility, not only do you not have the slightest clue what your talking about. But you don't even know enough to understand that patch notes. So STOP taking about pvp, you dont know anything about it and your embarrassing yourself.
