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11/9/2015 10:24:28 AM
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Yet again PvP f**king it up for PvE! So you conclude they're to powerful for PvP, yet in PvE they were good weapons to use. I say bring them back and stop screwing the game up just for PvP!
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PvP weapons should be preset, no perks just give crucible all those white guns to choose from, less to mess around and re balance stuff every 2-3 months. As for PvE, I think a lot of players want to feel badass, I like my guns to [u]feel[/u] op (but not that 1 shot kill strike boss).
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There shouldn't be "the best weapon"s for PvE.
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Yes there should otherwise the first weapon you get is as good as every other weapon so job done, I'll stop playing now. The whole point is that there is still a better gun or at least a better gun for scenario X. P.S. I have a year two Party Crasher +1 @ 296. It's still pretty good even post-nerf.
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It's not "best gun" that you're after. As of year 2, it's "best gun for me" that you're hunting.
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Edited by Killlerschaf: 11/9/2015 1:27:07 PMFor the PvE it's a Dead Orbit Hung Jury. It's not even a competition. And that's objectively pretty much one of the best weapons you can get.
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Why not? It's not like it [b]hurts[/b] anybody, and if Endgame gear is the hardest to obtain, it should [i]absolutely[/i] be better than the rest of the gear pool, in some capacity. That's game design 101 stuff, man. If not, then why even bother with Endgame [i]to begin with?[/i]
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*Sigh* Because you don't have a choice in loadout once you have this almighty boon. I complete end game for several reasons: - the raid weapons are really great under certain circumstances, so collecting them for my arsenal is fun. - the challenge is fun. - playing with friends is fun. - getting all the raid weapons is fun. - they're releasing harder and harder content, (exhibit A: challenge raids) so I need to gear up for them. - maxing out my character is fun. - some of the weapons are great, but not "the best", like the machine gun, pulse, scout, sniper and shotgun. - infusion material for my other weapons, that AREN'T unbalanced. With the freedom of choice, you can use whichever loadout that you're personally happy with in both PvP and PvE as opposed to what universally considered "the bestest one evar!!" And variety.
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[quote]Because you don't have a choice in loadout once you have this almighty boon.[/quote] Complete bullsh*t. I could use ANYTHING I wanted in HoW, yet these are all weapons that I [i]regularly[/i] used (as in, at least once every week) in Year 1; [quote]-VoC -Gheleon's Demise -The Scholar -MIDA Multi Tool -The Summoner -Vanquisher VIII -Timur's Lash -The Devil You Know -The Messenger -Red Death -Found Verdict -Felwinter's Lie -Judgment VI -Astral Horizon -Invective -Swordbreaker -Praedyth's Revenge -Icebreaker -Eye of Sol -Light of the Abyss -Praetorian Foil -Purifier VII -Hezen Vengance -Hunger of Crota -Truth -Infinite Theorem -Deviant Gravity -Corrective Measures -Super Good Advice[/quote] If you only used 1 or 2 weapons because you though they were the "only options," that was [i]your[/i] problem. [quote]With the freedom of choice, you can use whichever loadout that you're personally happy with in both PvP and PvE as opposed to what universally considered "the bestest one evar!!"[/quote] ...[i]just like tons of player, like me, [b]already did[/b] in Year 1[/i]. [quote]And variety.[/quote] GOD, are you for real? X'D Variety in Destiny hasn't been this small since [i]launch[/i], so what the hell are you on about?
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You understand the term "power creep", no?
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Power creep is completely irrelevant for this discussion. Not only that, it's a non issue.
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There's a difference between what you used because you wanted to and what you used because it's viable. Why would you use Hezen's Vengeance over Hunger of Crota? Why would you use Devil You Know over Fatebringer? Why would you use Astral Horizon over Found Verdict? Statistically, those were poor decisions. (PvE) That may not matter to you, but I think you'd find that a whole lot of people would agree with me.
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I would use Hezen over Croat for the extra shots and more damage. If you weren't missing Hezen was good, and for something like atheon where you won't miss it's much better than a hunger.
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Edited by AttilaTheNvn: 11/9/2015 1:36:28 PM[quote]There's a difference between what you used because you wanted to and what you used because it's viable.[/quote] Nope, not for me. I [i]wanted[/i] to use things [i]because[/i] they were viable- [i]for me.[/i] [quote]Why would you use Hezen's Vengeance over Hunger of Crota?[/quote] Because I preferred the way it's cluster bombs feel, and I usually use rockets for mobs/AOE/Area Denial (which is easier without Tracking, which I'd gladly trade for Tripod, any day). [quote]Why would you use Devil You Know over Fatebringer?[/quote] I like it better for PvP, and I perform just as well with it against mobs in PvE as long as Arc damage doesn't come into play, so I like it better for patrol. [quote]Why would you use Astral Horizon over Found Verdict?[/quote] Because its void, and it generally fits my playstyle better, for both PvE AND PvP. High-Impact, Army of One, and Flared Magwel work well for me, and having those has been much more helpful than Full Auto (which I don't use on FV, anyway). [quote]Statistically, those were poor decisions. (PvE)[/quote] Says who? Bro, you can focus on "stats" all you want, but if I'm getting better results with them, then [i]of course[/i] they're the better choice, because [i]duh![/i] What matters is how well they perform for [i][u]me[/u][/i]. [quote]That may not matter to you, but I think you'd find that a whole lot of people would agree with me.[/quote] Right back at you. While you and your type might have an autistic-level attachment to the "statistically" [i]best[/i] gear, myself and [i]my[/i] friends couldn't give 2 shits about what was the best [i]on paper[/i]; we played with what worked best [i]for us[/i], period.
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You've just gone and thrown any legitimacy that you had out the window. I'm using facts because past that it becomes subjective. Objectively, they were the only choice, but now that's not the case with how they've balanced year 2 base stats and set perks. "[u]I[/u] didn't feel forced into a corner" Good on you, buddy. At least I acknowledged facts to overcome the %ick measuring competition of "well me and my posse didn't subject ourselves to that bind". I'm telling you what the truths are, why people were effected by them, and the advantage of removing those variables. Be happy; now everyone has the same freedom that you apparently felt. I'm done with this conversation. This is just going to be a perpetual process of me bringing up reasons to prove you wrong through logic, you dissecting every point that I make and retorting with "I feel differently... Uh, because.", then my annoyed response. Rinse repeat. If you reply to this, I'll simply link the reason why none of it matters. Good day, Guardian.
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Edited by Killlerschaf: 11/9/2015 2:01:31 PMAnd currently the decision for the primary slot is between a Hung Hury and a Hung Jury. Well the ToM exists for 2 fights in the entire game, but it exists nonetheless. So I'll count it. Secondary slot is either a high impact sniper rifle, or an even higher impact one (Black Spindle). Heavy is pretty much always an LMG or the Sleeper (with the weird moment in which a solar exo sword is actually a viable choice. Like on Taken Taniks). That's by far the least variety I have ever seen, as a day 3 player.
