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Edited by PirateZack: 10/29/2015 8:12:07 AM
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You should go to the Middle East and experience their "religion of peace" firsthand. If you aren't beheaded or step on an IED you might gain some insight. Ramadan doesn't offend me, but I will fight any attempt from Islam to interfere in our western customs.
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  • Amen

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  • Edited by berserker19dizzl: 10/29/2015 10:30:05 PM
    Yep

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  • Maybe YOU should go to the Middle East, the majority of it is mostly peaceful You'll fight attempts by Islam to "interfere with Western customs?" I guess freedom of religion is a scary thing for some people.

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  • We should accept cults of violence. It's their right to worship as they want. Forget about the constant attacks against infidels. The government is right to guarantee freedom of religion, but I'm not the government.

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  • This is a strong answer

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  • The first country to recognize the United States as a sovereign nation and also the first to sign a treaty with the fledgling U. S. government waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaas....... Morocco - an Islamic country.

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  • Actually it was France but...

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  • Wikipedia: Moroccan-Ametican Treaty of Friendship.... 'December 1777,Moroccan sultan Muhammad III included the United States of America in a list of countries to which Morocco's ports were open. Morocco thus became the first country whose head of state publicly recognized the new United States.' Soooo.... I guess it's just semantics?

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  • Actually, it was France but...

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  • Sorry, I prefer to leave prejudice and racism in 1950s. Generalizing a faith is an example of your own paranoia and stupidity. Would I get killed by extremists in the Middle East? Possibly. Would I be killed by any old Muslim. Probably not. And I have been to the Middle East-- war zones aren't the only things there.

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  • You know if you take a deeper look into the foundation of the United States you can find that Muslims were one of the most influential groups.

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  • How? When? Where? I don't remember Muslims influencing anything in early America...

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  • It's there trust me bro. They won't tell you this in high school history or anything. I didn't know about it but during my history class in college went through it. Google Muslim influence in America and you'll see multiple examples.

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  • That's because universities are run by bleeding heart liberal pinko commies....

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  • You rednecks are so predictable it's not even funny anymore. I'm surprised this hadn't come up sooner

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  • Yes. When I hear a history or liberal arts college class cited as proof of anything I know that there is a deep biased agenda behind most of it.

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  • Edited by Kohaku Koi: 10/29/2015 9:42:57 PM
    [quote]It's there trust me bro. They won't tell you this in high school history or anything. I didn't know about it but during my history class in college went through it. Google Muslim influence in America and you'll see multiple examples.[/quote] Yes. Muslims were some of the very first slave traders during Americas inception. They were one of the biggest perpetrators of forcibly collecting black Africans and shuttling them off a s slaves. They also pledged to kill Christians back then. Yep. Lots of influence, indeed.

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  • Also here is a little something for you to read to erase the bigotry you have against Muslims. http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2504110

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  • No answer, huh? Shouldn't accuse a person of bigotry if you can't back it up, or at least admit when you're wrong....

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  • Was busy so please wait as I will get to you in a few.

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  • [quote]Also here is a little something for you to read to erase the bigotry you have against Muslims. http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2504110[/quote] Ummm....Yeah...... Re-read page 17 of that PDF, guy. It clearly substantiates what I have just said about the Muslim involvement in the slave trade. It also discusses the prevalent racism Arabs and Muslims held against black Africans. So are you saying your own source is bigotry???

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  • I never said they weren't involved in this, hell even Africans were involved in early forms of slavery as slave holders. As far as racism every single race can be accused of it.

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  • No you just took to calling me a bigot when I posted facts that didn't sit well with your tidy little world view... Goodbye. Let's just play Destiny.

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  • Everyone is quick to attack Muslims but they influenced artistic expression, architecture and so on in the United States. On top of being slave owners there were some Muslims who were also slaves as well.

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  • Much of the design influence though has little or nothing to do with Islam itself, but the Arabic culture and design, some of which predates Islam by hundreds if not thousands of years. Part of this influence stems of the invasion of destruction of the Byzantium Empire. The Christian capitol fell to Islam. The fact that Europe suffered several such invasions, it is not hard to imagine that much of old Europe would be influenced by the encroaching culture. These events though predate US history by nearly a thousand years, though. In short, specific words, architectural design, math, and such were in western culture before the US was formed. To say that Muslims directly impacted early US culture is a stretch of the imagination.

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