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originally posted in: Holiday Festival Controversy
10/28/2015 6:23:42 PM
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If you'll kindly read the post you are replying to, you will see the point was that what we celebrate as Christmas has very little to do with the religion. It is mostly pagan festivities. The fact that the church moved the "birth of Christ" to that time, had more to do with the church trying to co-opt (or minimize) pagan influences. Can't beat them? Pretend that celebrating people are doing is all about YOUR religion, and eventually people will believe that. It worked on you. But that's hardly surprising Christians stole the winter celebration and slapped their name on it. The whole "birth of Christ" in nothing than an amalgam of PRE-EXISTING myth of other religions that were popular prior to it. Virgin birth? Holy insemination? Three wise men? Star hear landing birth? Etc. etc etc. All in the mythology of previous religions that were known about in the "time of Christ", but have been mostly forgotten about in modern times. [SIDENOTE: As most of the scholars during the dark ages were monks, one can see how there would be a vested interest in burrying facts and ideas that one doesn't agree with.] TL:DR- Christians like to steal things and pretend they were theirs all along. "Thou shall not steal" indeed...
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  • Wow you're ignorant

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  • Wow. I'm impressed you know such a big word! But argumentum ad hominem is a fallacious attempt to disguise the fact that someone doesn't actually have any form of a valid point. Honestly, one would hope anyone beyond elementary schooling would see right through that. But the sad fact of the modern era is that, to too many people, possessing a keyboard is felt to be an equal substitute for having intelligence.

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  • Yea, that diety thing you bring up is wild. I remember digging into that and realizing every major religion has the same child of a god and then death to resurrection story in it. In the same order as all others. This is what baffles me as to the hate from some to the other. They share many ideals, but their gods bear different titles, that's about it. Then you get a self proclaimed scholar that steps in and brainwashes a lot of people with their version of the faith. The faith itself is not the problem. The false prophets that push their own agenda taints something that can be pure for a good cause.

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  • Good point about the rest of the myth (not just the birth). The whole thing is lifted from previous religions... As most religions do. In this case, they've just done a better job of hiding that fact. I'm with you on most of your post... Until you get to the whole faith thing. There *IS* something wrong with faith, and that is by its very nature. We are not omniscient. We are not gods. We are fallible. To recognize this fact, acknowledges that there are means by which we validate thought. Anything that short-cut this, ignores our fallibility and claims we have "other access to truth." But we aren't gods. Telling someone that anything they want to think can magically be true is abhorrent and just plain evil. (And the genesis of the vast array of atrocities in history.) Faith is little different than putting a 45 to someone's head and blowing their brains out. Except one is obvious the damage one is doing. The other is insidious.

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