I'm not going to be dragged into an existential debate. I also said the following: [quote]I'm in no way justifying their actions[/quote] So, what the hell are you talking about? Some people don't want to take responsibility for putting themselves in bad situations. Just like my PETA analogy, I'm responsible for putting myself there. However, that doesn't give PETA any right to eviscerate me, verbally or literally.