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Edited by Malphisto: 10/22/2015 7:09:15 AM
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THE IRON BAR...

Bungie... Its time to cut the crap. By now you are already fully aware of this article that has been picking up speed circulating around the community: http://kotaku.com/the-messy-true-story-behind-the-making-of-destiny-1737556731 The article itself validates everything that people have been saying for quite sometime, since the very start of this. It is definitive fact at this point, it can no longer be dismissed as just some theory. Choosing to further ignore it is only going to allow the flames to continue spreading. [b]Your lack of communication has been the most damaging to the game.[/b] You either ignore most feedback posts or you toss a random comment in which is basically the same thing each time. That isn't communication. That's placating. You need to [u][b]"converse"[/b][/u] with us. You need to [u][b]"involve"[/b][/u] the community more when it comes to this game. HONESTY is the best policy. YOU should have made us aware of these things yourself. Instead, you let everyone speculate on their own and do their own investigations...allow the players to fight each other and argue among themselves. That doesn't help you at all. All that does is create a VERY volatile situation and a tense atmosphere which grows thick with bitterness and anger. Whatever your reasons are for picking and choosing who you respond to and why the vast majority of feedback posts get ignored, you can't just ignore these things. You can't allow tempers to flare and continue burning. Its not going to just fizzle out. These issues and subjects aren't going to just fade away. People are going to remember. People are going to keep bringing these problems up, regardless of whether or not they are a Year 1 or Year 2 player. Look. Myself and many others have already invested $100 into this game. You NEED to acknowledge this. We already know Activision sets the pricing for this game. That's not something you can control. We get that. But what you CAN control is the game content itself and what the players can get. You NEED to make amends for this. I haven't bought TTK. For a number of reasons. However, of those reasons, there are two which stand out the most that are the only real roadblocks keeping me from continuing onward. [b]1:[/b] I'm still waiting for my $100 investment to match the value. When the expansion was released, I honestly expected to see a slew of new things added to the game that Year 1 players would have instant access to without having to spend more money. Its compensation. You know, the Ghost Scanning that encouraged exploration in TTK? I thought that would show up in the Year 1 content. I thought that was something you were doing for the game on the whole that [b]EVERYONE[/b] could enjoy. I thought everyone was going to be able to hit level 40 and earn Legendary Marks and buy the new vendor gear [b]WITHOUT[/b] having to purchase TTK. Hell, I at least expected that VIP black Shader, Emblem and Sparrow were going to be given to everyone for free, at the very least. And that is the root of the problem. You are wanting money for everything. You aren't giving back enough to the community for them having supported you and your game. The end result? Feelings of betrayal. [b]2:[/b] Lack of Reason. I can't justify spending hours upon hours doing the same activity over and over again with this game anymore at this point. I did that in Year 1. I farmed the Vault of Glass. I did the Nightfall as often as I could. I did Prison of Elders and battled with the nonsense that is LFG sites. Why? What was all that for? I didn't spend all that time because I had nothing else better to do. There were plenty of things I could have done with my time. I chose to go through all that hassle (because it was a hassle for me) to get specific Legendary/Exotic Weapons and Armor. I didn't even hunt for these things, I spammed for them because everything is at the mercy of an RNG Loot System which drove me crazy. And then when all was said and done, TTK comes out and you tell me that I can't continue upgrading any of that stuff. Hundreds of hours flushed down the toilet, dude. I didn't do all that work so that I could keep redoing the same content over and over until the end times. And I personally find it insulting when you say things like "well you can at least keep those weapons and use them from time to time in VOG" or whatever. [b]Not everyone went out and got a Fatebringer to have some glorified trophy. If you were to put out a new Arc Damage Hand Cannon with better stats or new perks that caught my interest more, I would replace it in a heartbeat. I care more about function, performance and reliability in my guns when it comes to Shooters. However, I want to be the one to make that decision on whether or not a gun is replaced, not have that choice forced on me just so I can maintain the highest possible numbers. (Damage and Defense, basically the Light Level)[/b] If I can't bring all of my old weapons and armor forward with me and keep that Year 1 content relevant? Then what's the point of putting anymore time into the game? I don't grind for the sake of grinding. I grind because I'm working towards a goal. But when you kill the value of that goal, then it loses all meaning or sense of accomplishment. THAT is why so many feel as though Year 1 was a total waste of time, effort and money. We have literally nothing to show for all that hard work. Whatever the reasons are, the fact remains that the players have been made to shoulder the weight of Bungie's decisions. Example: [quote]According to one source, Jones also told the team that he wanted a less linear story—one in which the player could decide where to go at any time. That became one of Destiny’s key pillars.[/quote] The game is still linear only with no actual story. Having a linear story is [b]PERFECTLY FINE SO LONG AS IT IS A GOOD STORY.[/b] Its been a total and complete failure. The Iron Bar was not successful. And you can't say things like "well everyone will have to judge it for themselves" because that is called passing the buck. That is called not taking accountability. Just like when people come on here to tell others "if you don't like it don't buy it and leave" crap. It shouldn't be about that. You should be trying to work towards creating a product that resolves these conflicts and answers those questions and concerns. Now we know that TTK Expansion is nothing but more of the same cut content from Year 1. That Dreadnought was taken out and reused for Year 2. Destiny and this community deserves more. MUCH more. And YOU need to start being far more open with us about things. Again, we shouldn't have to hear about shit a year later from some third party conducting their own private investigations. Its wrong. It shows what little faith and trust you have in your community that you think people wouldn't still support you or this game if you weren't just upfront and being honest about things. Instead, you end up hiding it which only leaves room to breed doubt and negativity. At this point? People feel as though they can't trust you anymore because they feel as though you've been taking advantage of them. And you really have been. Its time to start making things right with us. [b]EDIT: For those looking for Cozmo's reply it can be found here: https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/164918275/0/0 Credit goes to BSteeleCC for making the suggestion to include the link in the post itself.[/b]

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  • Edited by GreyPooponya: 10/23/2015 2:32:28 PM
    How -blam!-ing out of touch are they? Compare the hundreds of plotlines in ESO to this garbagio

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  • They'll realize they f*cked up when numbers drastically drop. Till then, as long as we as players buy into their deception it's going to be a continuous cycle of the same sh*t. I'm debating on going back to COD. .... >_< Or Battlefront is coming out next month too! I'll keep raiding on a weekly basis but sh*tty pvp experiences and the endless grinding with the lack luster loot drops now have pushed me away. Excellent points as well written too!

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    • I had to stop at the point where you said you didn't purchase TTK... yet you're still here? To me, TTK was worth all the other time and money put in because of how much has been fixed and how much more story I've gotten into this universe. Are there still things left to be desired, yes, and you do have many good points in regards to how they handle the community and the feedback. I just don't know what you hope to see from them that will then convince you to purchase all of the content you've been missing out on already. This game is unlike most others and not a static purchase for a set amount of content. It's meant to have daily and weekly activities, public event style participation that will come and go and perhaps will be missed by those who are not involved with the game at a given time. That's the beauty of it, imo.

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      • Cue the big updates and adjectives to make you excited about more farming and more crucible........and the blame game on bugs for the point of items not dropping.[spoiler]damage control[/spoiler]

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        • *holds breath while my face starts turning blue and I shake* *.....breaths in a large gulp of breath* -blam!- BUNGIE!! Sorry I couldn't hold it anymore.

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          • Keep up the good work Bungie. TTK is quality!!!

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            • I had read that article too, now, IMO, had they let us know earlier things would be different for them. They remained, and still remain too quiet, to all who are on the forums. I for one, have not appreciated the arrogance that their representatives have displayed. I have not appreciated the silence to many of unanswered questions that have been very relevant. It is unfortunate that they have allowed many to leave the game extremely unhappy, thereby not taking Blizzards statement “The only point you have to deliver on is that when people leave your game—because they will—when they leave your game, they need to be happy.’” Had Bungie made an attempt to be honest with them, the majority would have left with less hostility. Yes, I still have some hostility, but I do like the game (overall) but have played a lot less; the the less has been growing. I have, and still do, wish the game to be fun and playable. I play less because I have not purchased TTK, and still refuse to purchase because of the removal of the ability to play much of what I was able to from the initial release. I know many will try to condemn this statement, but the facts are they have done this and without any real explanation that is logically acceptable (believable.) Yes, I would like to purchase it and continue, but their conduct (with no type of apology,) unacceptable silence and their elaborate (and IMO exaggerated) marketing to make something sound better than the reality is, along with a lot of what you have also said, still holds me back.

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              • If they do this will you play again ?

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                • I got an "A" on high school and college papers writing less than this Seriously, find something more serious to care about than a video game We all have our beefs with destiny, but this is just kinda pathetic

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                  • The only thing that I agree with, is the part about year one weapons and armour. Other than that, buy the expansion, or move on.

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                    • TL:DR Waaaaaah

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                      • Excellent post.

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                      • [b][i]B[/i][/b] [b][i]U[/i][/b] [b][i]M[/i][/b] [b][i]P[/i][/b]

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                      • I'd prefer Bungie say nothing about this article and let their actions speak louder than their words. Make Destiny the epic game it should be. This game is already awesome, and it still has so much potential!

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                        • Edited by GreyPooponya: 10/23/2015 1:47:27 AM
                          Really, I love the part in the kotaku article where bungie was genuinely surprised by all of the negative feedback. They put the stupidest shit in this game like energy burst patrols instead of good content. These second rate trolls need to step off of Destiny and go make cell phone games. I can tell they put lots of time into picking these energy burst spots when they should've been making something fun. Maybe you could actually entertain us instead of arbitrarily and repetitively challenge us? -blam!-ing assholes.

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                          • Edited by PONETHEPOON: 10/21/2015 7:20:11 PM
                            [b][i]If you're looking for the Bungie reply:[/i][/b] Cozmo: [quote]You should really keep it civil.[/quote] -commented on somene else's comment

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                              • Edited by lawman90: 10/22/2015 6:05:24 PM
                                Who else would love to see the amount of players that were playing destiny in the first month of release compared to the amount of players playing now.?..... It would be a great insight I think. I couldn't imagine the impact this article may have.

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