For the crucible weapons -Thorn -Mytho -Felwinters -Ghorn to an extent Iron banner is already one of the community's high points of whining, these weapons in y2 would make people whine even more [quote]Why can i get killed by a year one weapon? I didnt buy the expansion for Felwinter's to kill me. Waaah waaaah.[/quote] For pve elitist raid groups would never change, Ghorn was a problem. It allowed guardians to throw strategy out of the window. If it were still viable then people would'nt bother to detonate blights in kf they would just dps oryx into the ground. Reply if i forgot anything so i can reply and shut it down Edit: Oops this was supposed to be a reply to my earlier pose