[quote]And it's no different the a radiant skin sun singer with flame shield who can throw grenades as far as hammer[/quote] I'm going to stop you right there because in case you didn't realise the grenade got nerfed and it's terrible now. I'm up to the bit where I need multikills with sunsinger, and it's a joke compared to the other subclasses. Not to mention they didn't get health regen on the RANGED kills, and had no way to kill you if you jumped AND are within shotgun melee range. I'm running radiant skin with a chest piece for bonus armour on solar subclass and it's STILL within that range. Also you have two titans so pretty obvious where your interests lie in this argument. I have and use all three and it's far superior to the rest. If you can't see that...well...