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Edited by LordZoltan:
9/17/2015 8:31:49 PM
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Constructive criticism vs hate vs blind loyalty
What is the point of the "feedback" forum? What purpose if any does it serve?
Recently I read from Cozmo that this forum is for us, the players, to have a voice. And here we are, talking. Talking to Bungie and talking to each other.
There seem to be three groups in the feedback forum. Those who give constructive criticism, those who spout hate, and those who are so loyal they have nothing negative to say about the game or bungie.
The first group, those who give constructive criticism, play the game and see that it isn't perfect. And because they want the game to be better or would like to see improvements made, they take the time to sit down and write out their ideas in an effort to communicate with Bungie.
Some times it works. Vault space was increased because the community asked for it. Buffs and nerfs keep happening because they are listening. Improvements to the UI may or may not be a direct result of community feedback.
And yet this group is under attack by the second group, haters. When I say "under attack", I simply mean haters coming to posts with constructive criticism and spouting hate at the OP and anyone who agrees with them.
For haters, there is no middle ground. You're either with them or you're with Bungie. I've seen well written articulate posts dismissed outright because the OP dared to suggest that Destiny was worth playing despite flaws.
In the hate filled dismissal, the hater usually accuses the OP of being a "desticle" or fanboy. They suggest that any further support of the game is a useless gesture and the only true way to see improvements is to boycott the game altogether.
Haters live in a self induced fantasy world filled with a delusional sense of self importance where they are the center of the universe. They feel that if we would just do as they asked, things would go exactly as they say it will.
What they fail to realize is this simple truth. Destiny isn't going anywhere. It is, and continues to be, a successful game. There are so many players that aren't on these forums. People who enjoy logging in, playing, and logging out. They don't read the forums or have any idea what is being said here.
But the haters want you to believe that Destiny is in trouble and that if we boycott the taken king, we will soon be reading news on IGN or elsewhere that Destiny is no more. That activision pulled the plug and Bungie is suffering massive layoffs.
Sorry haters, that's not going to happen. It's simply unrealistic. Destiny is a juggernaut, like it or not. Edit: http://m.ign.com/articles/2015/09/17/destiny-the-taken-king-is-playstations-most-downloaded-day-one-game-ever?utm_source=IGN%20hub%20page&utm_medium=IGN%20(front%20page)&utm_content=1&utm_campaign=Blogroll
Which leads me to the third group, those who blindly support the game without ever speaking negatively about it.
If you aren't willing to see things for what they are and make suggestions on how to improve them, then you're not helping make the game you love better. You're telling the developer that you're happy with the game as is. And if that's the case, why should they ever make improvements?
One of these groups serves a purpose, the other two do not.
If we are to make a difference, it is clear that constructive criticism is the only effective way to achieve that goal. Hatred or blind loyalty achieve nothing.
So to all of those who don't offer constructive criticism, you can continue to beat your collective heads against the wall, or you can join us and open a dialogue with the developer in order to help us improve our experience with Destiny.
The choice is yours.
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2 Repliespart 1 (too long^^) ok, time to tell you something now that might let you awake from the deep slumber you have fallen to... we are here now, here at forum of destiny, a game that never was what was advertised...a game many consider even today of being nothing than a beta, a game that never came along with something usual for any game, a story...a game, forged in chaos, broken, definitely far away from being a finished product...even not finished now, one year and 2 dlc's later... for everyone who bought this game when it got first released, it didn't needed a genius to realize the many flaws it had and as unfortunately this is the gaming-world we live in today, having mostly 'unfinished' games served at releases, having the consumer taking part of a beta-gamer to save expenses, calling destiny a beta, is very bland and has more of making a compliment, rather than telling the uncovered truth... when it was released, now without mentioning all the lies told before, all the things advertised, just to realize they not in game, ppl loved the gameplay and started to give it time...after all these guardians started to fall to the RNG, playing over and over to get this one item, be it whatever, fate, BH, IB and with a gun implemented, the gjallarhorn, that became the unicorn, the one thing everyone tried to get, chasing it like it was the goddamn el-dorado, these guardians were 'taken' and the grinding was real! first, all loved this game, playing it day and night, spending hours over hours in it, chasing this one unicorn, so that it didn't mattered that this game had flaws...who -blam!-ing cares? gimme my -blam!-ing gally you pr*cks! that was enough for many to play this game for many hours....cosmodrone up and down, down and up, right to left, left to right, who cares, i want that -blam!-ing loot! but well, after some time, all this ppl, mostly those who got ripped off by RNG, started to get dissatisfied...what the hell i am doing here? did i really run that -blam!-ing cosmodrome now for over 1000 hours? was it all that i have done? omg...but ok, -blam!- it, no time to think, need to kick RNG's butt... but by time, even the hardest grinder, the most obsessed started slowly to realize that the magic this game had, started slowly to fade away...the curtain hiding all the ugliness becoming more and more transparent, the beauty that overlayed this ugliness slowly vanishing...ppl slowly starting to realize all the flaws, realizing that this open world actually has nothing to do with anything, but open and for the hardcore-pessimistics maybe giving more the feeling of a cage...many guardians started to realize, some sooner, some later, some unfortunately never... so there we are, now even the last of us knowing about this narrownesses in game... some starting to open threads at feedback-forum...i waould love to see this, love to see that! everything bigger, more open, more and more of everything yeah! but what did we got? 2 dlc's! what did we got? new locations? new enemies? new anything? hmm...i guess the answer is no...simply as that....No^^ and now, with the taken walletking coming, it gets even better, we get LESS! yea, great, LESS! and all this LESS for only $40 lol^^ you know guys, don't need me to tell you that this game is what it was meant to be...a game forged in chaos, by the darkness itself...having all its white knights pushed away...a game forged in chaos, the darkness trying nevertheless keeping the machinery running, a game forged with total cluelessness...what to say, when its masters first make changes, just to neutrilizing them after again? (see the dark below'd)...announcing nerfs on guns, just to tell then this guns will be useless lol, the same time the taken walletking is already knocking at the door? stupidity in its purest form? or simply absolute cluelessness? so, with this facts not disregarding, does truly anyone believes that this time things will get better? truly? or maybe now simply entering destiny beta 3.0...(as i believe that this crap with exotics pre-TDB and then 'fixed' by xur can easily be named as 2.0^^) so, they truly learned of their mistakes in the past? with as already mentioned, announcing nerfs 2-3 months before this "new" aera, just to contradict theirselves within only a few weeks? welcome to neverland my friends^^ but, you know what, that's ALL not even worth mentioning, because you know, this only affects y1 kinderguardians and the ONLY truth is (and now a free red pill for everyone^^) activegreed'sbungievision DOES NOT WANT YOU! yes, they don't want you know why? because you already gave them your money, played a game THEY KNEW you will get bored off and fed up and now want siply to get rid off you! honest question, i truly mean HONEST and here ask yourself! with one year gone and 2 dlc's, what exactly NEW did you got? answer this for yourselves... as what i know from activision, you can definitely believe me, i know them well!!! being with them since CoD 4 all over to CoD AW, where they finally managed to freeze me out, i know one thing for sure! activi = many many many $$$ = smallest and less effort...so the truth is, NOTHING changes...NEVER you'll get all the things you dream of...N-E-V-E-R !!! but does activi cares if you realize? no! simple as that...right, you not wanted anymore...make place now for the new aera with new guardians! not as sick, as fed up, as lush as you, but hungry! HUNGRY! hungry to throw money at the screen, fresh money! who needs all the dissatisfied, pi**ed ppl anymore^^ this is the truth guardians...sad, but imho the truth... this game was nothing else than meant to be addictive! everything in game, every decision made by the officials, made, to make this game ADDICTIVE!!! that's why nothing changes! OP, you mentioned the "successes" we had here in forum...bigger vault space woooooowww...what a success...this m8, after ONE YEAR! after they take EVERYTHING you grinded like a junkie for away! nearly NEVER EVER any communication by this well-known CM, a help/support forum that NEVER EVER helped! as i can tell, till now never got the tumbler i should have gotten, sony offering me to cancel my EP, what i didn't agreed too (-blam!- it!), while from bungie NEVER EVER even ANY response!!! never experienced anything like that, a lack of EVERYTHING at any game i played and visited forum, so yes, bigger vault space AFTER ONE BLAMING YEAR, a "patch" for guns, that has more of a terminator-character rather than fixing anything, with dlc a story (although doubt that good) after one year, what should have been in game from beginning for pete's sake! yea, what a SUCCESS!!! here we are now, y1 vets and sry, but now want to give my own picture of us a try.... 1st we have the lemmings...mowstly casuals, playing here and there, no care for anything...+ 2nd the dissatisfied, the pi**ed, the angry, the ugly...some of them (if not before, then definitely now) full of hate, some too pi**ed to still post cool comments...but NOT always unjustified... 3rd the beatiful...the ones everyone loves, found in groups, bounded, one for all, all for one, making everything sound nice, even the ugly stuff... 4th same as third but actually making good points.... among this 4 you still can split them again...the ones awoken from deep slumber, moving away...the ones, same as before, but still hope things get better, but if no signs, moving away, wallet still closed...then, those, that are pi**ed, criticizing, trying to find a dialogue with devs, always nice, who knows with what result, wallet closed/open, however... before comming to my last point want to add something...mentioned before that we never got any communication between us and devs...we all know it...deej, forget him...me, personally, would love to say that cozmo (yea like this guy) could be the real deal...and believe he would or is, but with all allready mentioned before, that's the problem...cozmo, unlike the ones before or devs or whatever, isn't a corporation guy, he's one of us, a gamer..you can see he cares, he tries...really appreciate it, but sry, when i doubt that he can change anything...as much i started to respect him, he's still only a small cogwheel in this big machinery forged and under control by the darkness :( so, have my doubts., sry :(
