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Edited by Noiselesspurse17: 9/7/2015 5:41:31 PM
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There are no valid arguments for the existence of God

Lately, I've been seeing tons of illogical arguments that christians have been trying to use to prove the existence of God. I haven't seen one valid argument for God, and I'm getting quite tired of destroying the same feeble arguments over and over again, so I thought I'd take the most common ones and take them apart, so that you people can finally stop using them. [quote][i]You can't prove that God isn't real. [/i][/quote] This is a logical fallacy. The burden of proof lies on the person claiming the positive (religious people), not us. If you believe God is real, it's your job to provide evidence. Furthermore, we also can't prove that there isn't a magic green monkey flying around Jupiter, but that isn't a valid reason to believe he's there. [quote][i]The Bible is proof of God[/i][/quote] No. Just, no. Anyone who uses a Bible verse to support the existence of God is insane. That's like saying that a Spider-Man comic is proof of spider man. [quote][i]Do you really think that all life could have arisen from a series of coincidences?[/i][/quote] Anyone who says this needs to do a bit more research. Yes, there were many requirements for life to arise on earth, but you're not considering how large the universe is, and how many times shit has gone wrong. Statistically speaking, the natural evolution of life on earth is very possible, and there is almost certainly other life out there. [quote][i]Well, science doesn't fully understand 'X' yet, therefore God must have done it.[/i][/quote] Just because we don't understand something yet doesn't mean we won't in the future, and to instantly assume that everything is Gods work is a very closed-minded way of looking at things. [quote][i]It's called having faith.[/i][/quote] No. Faith is the intentional suppression of critical thinking skills. It is in no way a valid reason to believe anything. [quote][i]The second law of thermodynamics states that systems become less and less organized. That means that evolution and the Big Bang go against this law. Therefore, God is responsible for the creation of earth and life on earth[/i][/quote] This isn't true. The second law of thermodynamics only applies to isolated (closed) systems. The earth is in no way a closed system. This argument really just shows ignorance on whoever uses it's part. [quote][i]Theres nothing to lose by not believing in him, and eternal paradise if you do. (Pascal's Wager).[/i][/quote] This is a horrible argument for a number of reasons. First, who says the Christian God is real? There are hundreds of different Gods out there, so why not believe in them too, just to be safe? Secondly, do you really think an omniscient God won't figure out that the only reason you believed in him was because you wanted to go to heaven? Pascal's wagers is one of the worst arguments ever. Period. Note: This next one was actually an argument on this very thread. Try not to die of laughter. [quote][i]http://thetruthwins.com/archives/dna-results-for-the-nephilim-skulls-in-peru-are-in-and-the-results-are-absolutely-shocking We have angel skulls, therefore God exists. [/i][/quote] This one made me laugh so hard. The link basically just says that the skulls were from an unknown human-like creature, probably some sort of primate. The guy who sent me this instantly jumped from "unknown human-like mammal" to "Angel skulls". I literally can't even right now. These are only a few of the arguments that I can remember off the top of my head, but I know I'm missing a ton. Post them below, and I'll destroy them and add them to the OP. Help me spread education and awareness to Offtopic, one post at a time. Purse, out.

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  • The philosophical community currently lean towards the possible existence of God but I guess you know better :^)

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    There is no valid argument for the existence of Noiselesspurse's brain

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  • But...it says so in a book, it must be true... [b] [/b] [spoiler]satire btw.[/spoiler]

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  • [quote]Lately, I've been seeing tons of illogical arguments that christians have been trying to use to prove the existence of God. I haven't seen one valid argument for God, and I'm getting quite tired of destroying the same feeble arguments over and over again, so I thought I'd take the most common ones and take them apart, so that you people can finally stop using them. [quote][i]You can't prove that God isn't real. [/i][/quote] This is a logical fallacy. The burden of proof lies on the person claiming the positive (religious people), not us. If you believe God is real, it's your job to provide evidence. Furthermore, we also can't prove that there isn't a magic green monkey flying around Jupiter, but that isn't a valid reason to believe he's there. [quote][i]The Bible is proof of God[/i][/quote] No. Just, no. Anyone who uses a Bible verse to support the existence of God is insane. That's like saying that a Spider-Man comic is proof of spider man. [quote][i]Do you really think that all life could have arisen from a series of coincidences?[/i][/quote] Anyone who says this needs to do a bit more research. Yes, there were many requirements for life to arise on earth, but you're not considering how large the universe is, and how many times shit has gone wrong. Statistically speaking, the natural evolution of life on earth is very possible, and there is almost certainly other life out there. [quote][i]Well, science doesn't fully understand 'X' yet, therefore God must have done it.[/i][/quote] Just because we don't understand something yet doesn't mean we won't in the future, and to instantly assume that everything is Gods work is a very closed-minded way of looking at things. [quote][i]It's called having faith.[/i][/quote] No. Faith is the intentional suppression of critical thinking skills. It is in no way a valid reason to believe anything. [quote][i]The second law of thermodynamics states that systems become less and less organized. That means that evolution and the Big Bang go against this law. Therefore, God is responsible for the creation of earth and life on earth[/i][/quote] This isn't true. The second law of thermodynamics only applies to isolated (closed) systems. The earth is in no way a closed system. This argument really just shows ignorance on whoever uses it's part. [quote][i]Theres nothing to lose by not believing in him, and eternal paradise if you do. (Pascal's Wager).[/i][/quote] This is a horrible argument for a number of reasons. First, who says the Christian God is real? There are hundreds of different Gods out there, so why not believe in them too, just to be safe? Secondly, do you really think an omniscient God won't figure out that the only reason you believed in him was because you wanted to go to heaven? Pascal's wagers is one of the worst arguments ever. Period. Note: This next one was actually an argument on this very thread. Try not to die of laughter. [quote][i]http://thetruthwins.com/archives/dna-results-for-the-nephilim-skulls-in-peru-are-in-and-the-results-are-absolutely-shocking We have angel skulls, therefore God exists. [/i][/quote] This one made me laugh so hard. The link basically just says that the skulls were from an unknown human-like creature, probably some sort of primate. The guy who sent me this instantly jumped from "unknown human-like mammal" to "Angel skulls". I literally can't even right now. These are only a few of the arguments that I can remember off the top of my head, but I know I'm missing a ton. Post them below, and I'll destroy them and add them to the OP. Help me spread education and awareness to Offtopic, one post at a time. Purse, out.[/quote] lol another guy starting another argument

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    • Okay, first off. I do believe in God. And you say that it is my job to provide evidence of God. That is not how it works at all! Its not anyone's "job" to try to badger anyone into believing that God is real, nor is it anyone's "job" to give evidence that God is real. I'm not going to give you any evidence that God is real, that is up to you to believe in or not. Its not my place or anyone's to try to make you think anything you don't.

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        • God decided that you are wretched--evidence? He cursed you with a disgusting hairline.

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        • I literally don't care about other people's beliefs. Im an atheist but If someone believes that God exists then okay good for them

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        • Cool.

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        • Why do you care who we worship?

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          • Explain speaking in foreign toungues... I've personally had it happen to me. Is there some scientific reason that would happen to me?

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            • We (Humans) are 4 dimensions, Line, Circle, and Polygonal and Time. How many dimensions are there? 10. We cannot see, smell, touch, measure, or in general, observe him. Therefor, He is either: A) not existent, and is a hoax to scare kids. Or B) above our dimension, and trying to observe him will be impossible. Personally, I pick B. But you choose to be more ignorant, and those who agree with you Purse. It is all up to you after all.

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              • Terrible religious b8 m8. Some one should assassin8 you for this bad religious b8 m8. Please do not cre8 any more bad religious b8 m8. I advise you to never procre8 because your children may cre8 religious b8 as well m8. I h8 this b8 so much that I will give it a r8 of .08/8 which is not a gr8 r8 m8. M8's like you contamin8 offtopic and you should be incarcer8ted on this d8. I hope you don't run into my friend N8 while your there cause you seem like his type m8. [spoiler]haven't you made around 3 of these already?? [/spoiler]

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                • [i]this is new isn't it?[/i] [b]amirite flood![/b]

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                • The same philosophical reasoning that affirms science is true, can establish the probable existence of God. Only science deals with matter, the stuff we are pretty sure we see, so its easier to accept.

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                  • Edited by Shelby: 9/14/2015 3:07:03 PM
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                  • Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence...

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                    • Don't use the big bang theory to combat religion cause its just as improbable.

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                    • I work as a welder at Bobcat, most of you have probably heard of it. At Bobcat we have a quota to meet, most of the time you have to hustle to get your numbers, my job was to finish trucks for the excavators, the trucks are 1800 lbs fully welded. One day at the end of my shift a co worker was messing around and raised my jig up with the hoist attached to the truck, when he lowered it back down, the hoist had gotten twisted and wasn't correctly placed to support the truck. As I stood there, I watched an 1800 lb truck tip towards me, I knew I was dead. I took one deep breath and closed my eyes. I opened them a few seconds later to see that the hoist had somehow supported it just enough not to fall off. It literally was hanging on by a thread (so to speak). Moving them when they're flat on the ground, if you don't have the hoist in the right spot it will fall off every single time. To this day I have no idea how or why it didn't. Or do I? Explain to me why 100/101 times the hoist had fallen out? Explain to me why when my life was in the fate of a hoist it didn't fail like it had all the other times? I'm a religious guy, I have a very strong faith in God. I have a tattoo on my arm that reads [b]"[i]Faith[/i] does not make things easy, it makes them [i]possible[/i]"[/b]. Coincidence? I think not.

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                      • They people who wrote the bible did it as an April fools?

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                        • Edited by The Stranger: 9/14/2015 12:56:01 PM
                          That last one is -blam!-ing hilarious. Unfortunately my works wifi has blocked the site (it even blocks BBC and our unions website FFS). Someone reply so I can come back when I get home.

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                          • Just shut up this is such an old topic in these forums maybe if we just didn't try to change what people believe then we would be better off as a civilization

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                          • Hmm..... Would you rather spend your life in a condescending battle of "destroying" others' beliefs or use your imagination to what might be possible? God is real and it is not my job to prove anything to anybody. It's my job to spread the word and then God will watch what you choose to do with that information. My faith is all the proof i need. Nothing is possible without God. Have a nice day.

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                            • wow the b8 is not top tier today noiseless, dissapointed in you.

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                            • This must be Marilyn Manson's account

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