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I hear what you're saying and disagree. This is why we need to leave the old gear behind: https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/149225282/0/0
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  • Replied. Unfortunately, I don't see how that justifies rendering the old weapons obsolete.

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  • I don't want to leave old guns behind either, but if their presence reduces my need or want for new guns then I'm prepared to let them go. Look at it this way - the current state of loadout options in Destiny is ridiculously poor at the moment (well, sensible loadouts - there's plenty you can dick about with for fun). This is a real bad situation to be in. There's nothing interesting and no scope to get creative due to a relatively small no. of guns that overshadow everything else. If we get to bring everything forward to TTK we'll be in that same situation - the same situation that screwed gear progression in Crota and HoW - and I don't want that.

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  • The old weapons being around aren't the cause for the lack of variety, though. The actual problem stems from a lack of creativity on the developer's part to design new weapons that add to what we already have instead of consistently trying to compete with what is already available.

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  • I agree, partly. But really there's only so much you can do with a gun. The most obvious ways of creating variety are messing with rof, how well they handle, bullet count, impact etc etc. This is what Bungie borked inistially by giving us weapons with base stats so good there's no wriggle room. Why take a low impact, high rof autorifle when we already have high impact versions? Why take a new fusion when the old ones one shot ppl from across the map?

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  • I'll show you what I said to someone else regarding a similar topic: [quote]Power Creep has never been a problem. From a developer point of view, its a matter that people simply put way too much time focusing on instead of taking stock of all the other factors. Yes, with new content and as time goes on, new and more powerful enemies will begin to appear. This is common in any game designed with attributes/stats. Now, there are two ways to handle continued progression for the players who will obviously be needing to grow in strength to face these increasing odds. 1) [b]Content Driven vs. Loot Driven Game Design.[/b] Power Creep is easily taken care of on its own when you have a model which is geared towards being content driven. Meaning that there is next to no grinding in the game and the player is consistently being exposed to new things. (Story, Characters, Challenges/Enemies, Puzzles, Items, etc.) A prime example of this would be The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt in which you are just being showered left and right with content. It is EXTENSIVE in the game, with non-stop voice acting, a HUGE world which actually rewards and encourages you to explore every nook and cranny and plenty of quests/story to keep you engaged. You care less about trading up old gear for new because of everything else that there is for you to do in the game. You might think it crazy, but in reality a game such as Diablo III: Reaper of Souls as another example, is actually considered a Content Driven game. Simply put, its classified as a Dungeon Crawler which is a niche all its own, but as the player is going through the game they are CONSTANTLY being exposed to new things. Dungeons are randomized in layout and they are relentlessly being showered by newer more powerful weapons and armor and provided great customization options. This is called [b]"RNG Done Right."[/b] Destiny is an example of a "Loot Driven" game design because it significantly lacks content. After about 10-20 hours, a new player is likely to have completed the bulk of what is available to do before entering the "Endgame" portion. Now, in terms of PvP? This has never really been a problem. Multiplayer is the same for any other game, just need to keep adding new maps with new game modes. But as we saw from TitanFall? PvP ONLY does not a game make. This is where PvE comes into play. HOWEVER! The PvE content is horribly lackluster. PvE in Destiny is centered around the hunt for new and powerful weapons and armor. You will grind and repeat activities and missions that you have already beaten countless times in order JUST to get said items. In other words, the value of Destiny's time investment is directly related and attached to the weapons and armor being acquired. Proof of your hard work and hours spent. As a developer? YOU CANNOT DISRESPECT THE TIME INVESTMENT OF PLAYERS. Not everyone who plays your game will be willing to accept that and you WILL end up losing customers as a result of such decision. Its not good, which can clearly be seen by how so many have reacted to the matter thus far. 2) The second option of how to deal with Power Creep is for the game itself to EVOLVE. How does one evolve a Loot Driven Game Design? BY ADDING MORE OF EVERYTHING. Weapons, Armor, Enemies, Challenges, Elements, etc. EVERYTHING. You provide new challenges that reward the player which allows them to continue upgrading their older weapons and armor. (Like with the Etheric Light from the Prison of Elders) In doing so, you also introduce NEW weapons that compliment what players already have available to them. Example, we currently only have one Arc Damage Hand Cannon (Fatebringer) and one Void Damage Hand Cannon (Word of Crota) presently available in the game. We still don't have a SOLAR Damage Hand Cannon, however. Another example of how to evolve Destiny would be to add an entirely new element to the game. From a traditional comparison? Void = Arcane Arc = Electric/Lightning Solar = Fire There are a slew of other elements that are just ripe for the picking. And with them we have the potential for brand new enemies with whole new defenses and ways of fighting. Then we have the weapons themselves. Instead of making 10 new versions of the Fatebringer, why not just KEEP the Fatebringer and instead introduce an entirely new type of weapon? They're already doing this now for TTK by adding SWORDS to the game as actual player weapons. And with new weapon types comes NEW PERKS that no one has ever seen before. Brand new perks that cater to the new weaponry being added allowing for a greater depth of customization for players. Its not that the old weapons are "too powerful" for the new content. The PROBLEM stems from a lack of innovation and new ideas. Not including the perks? You can ONLY make just so many different variations of an Arc Damage Hand Cannon before it begins to get repetitive and at which point, you're just recycling the same thing over and over again with an increase to damage. Personally? They kinda shot themselves in the foot with Reforge because they are basically saying "here guys, you just keep re-rolling until you get the perks you like best for these weapons." That takes ALL the pressure off of the developer to create new and unique weapons and it also limits greatly their potential pool for new ideas if they give up control over a weapon's elemental attributes and listed perks. Destiny needs to grow and expand. Not insist upon itself like it has been.[/quote]

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