I 've never used thorn, i don't have it at all and don't need it. Both my Hunter and Titan are k/d 1 and above and the Warlock is getting there. Also have never missed Iron Banner since day 1 and played a lot of Trials. That being said i'm really looking forward to Bungie finally nerfing that ridiculous weapon. My stats will be even better after that i guess. :-) So in a way that's my little protest/rebellion against Thorn and all the people using it. I enjoy crucible a lot, but my greatest pleasure is killing people with Thorn. Lately i'm uising Red Death/The Messenger, Low Grade Humility and Tomorrow's answer.