[quote]Yep, lack of a body, trustworthy eyewitness accounts, dying for what they claim to have seen(not a belief, but what they saw).[/quote] Body I was talking about the Turin shroud when you commented. Obvious to see why I assumed. Dying Idk if people died to halt science, but wouldn't be surprised. Happened before. Claim to have seen Claim to have seen...the shroud of Jesus? Makes sense in the context of my subject