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I would just like to say that we were made from chance and coincidence of nature, the problem with all humans is that when they can't simply explain something they make something up (legends, myths). So when prehistoric humans couldn't explain why they were put here or they look up in the sky and see a great ball of fire they turn to superstitions or beliefs that maybe some greater being put that thing up there or put us here on this earth. So with advances in technology and sciences we are able to come to an understanding how we are made and how the sun is made and how anything is made through quarks than to atoms than to molecules and eventually to us. I just see it as nature made us and evolution that made us, not some greater being.
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  • Evolution only describes a mechanism. Explaining the parts of an engine and how they work together to run a car doesn't tell you who built it. We have zero evidence of life arising from non life, which is the entire basis of naturalism. Maybe the reason early man looked at creation and posited a God, is because God designed us that way. Science isn't bad, but it can breed a startling amount of arrogance and pride. And the more prideful we become, the more we put ourselves in the place of God. And the more we try to push him out of creation and explain him away. Take the story of Lucifer. He lived in the presence of God and yet became so prideful that he thought he was better than He who created him. How much more for us who have never seen God face to face? The bible talks about this. http://bible.com/100/rom.1.19-23.nasb because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.

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  • I just find it hard to believe in an entity greater than ourselves taking its time to cast us upon a rock and do as it pleases. What's in it for God? Why would he create life? How does one like God sustain itself before nothing? What created God? Who created the creator of God? What does the simplest form of life arise from? These questions are reasonable and logical to ask, before you point me in the direction of the bible how would you answer me these questions from self experience and intuition?

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  • God is uncreated, eternal. He created us to fellowship with us, to share his glory with us, to love us. Not because he needed to, but because he wanted to. He gave us free will so that we could choose to love him. I believe that the creation account in Genesis is written poetically while still conveying literal truth. God created the universe and the earth. The first forms of life were plants and then water creatures, then land animals, and finally he created man out of the dust of the earth. He breathed life into him and he became a living soul.

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  • Yet you speak of this free will and through observations of my own when ever religious debates are in full swing, people always play the free will card, why is that? Why would god grant us free will? Why would it dispose of this information to go against it? God is only granted power through its followers so would it not be of the best interests of God to have as many as it could? God may be the living soul through us yet it sees about the destruction of the earth, it sees about this free will when innocent people are slaughtered throughout the world, a world that God governs and yet it still watches as a child is killed and yet a convicted murderer is still spared? Why is that?

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  • I'm not God, I couldn't tell you exactly. But, being all knowing, this is the system God created to get the most amount of people to heaven by their own choice. We aren't really in a position to say that he could've done it another way, unless we can show that another way would've yielded better results.

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  • Well on a end note, all I know is that atheism is an idea just as much as religion is an idea, we are psychologically different which is why one of the other believes in what we do. Whether the will of God is at hand, we will never know. Maybe this difference is brought upon by God or nature, can't tell but at the end of the day I may burn in hell but all I know is that I have lead a good life this far under no impression of god.

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  • [quote]I would just like to say that we were made from chance and coincidence of nature, the problem with all humans is that when they can't simply explain something they make something up (legends, myths). So when prehistoric humans couldn't explain why they were put here or they look up in the sky and see a great ball of fire they turn to superstitions or beliefs that maybe some greater being put that thing up there or put us here on this earth. So with advances in technology and sciences we are able to come to an understanding how we are made and how the sun is made and how anything is made through quarks than to atoms than to molecules and eventually to us. I just see it as nature made us and evolution that made us, not some greater being.[/quote]

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