I'm getting tired of arguments like this. NEITHER OF THESE HAVE BEEN PROVEN WITHOUT A SHADOW OF A DOUBT. Besides who cares who believes what? Religion, true or untrue, was founded on a principle that may be considered noble, even though it is an elaborate lie, or not. What I'm referring to is that people banded together under a common belief, believing in a god, gave not one person, but entire civilizations hope in dark times. So regardless of what you think about others' beliefs. Or which philosophy is true, those people were better for it, one way or another. SO JUST STOP BICKERING!!!