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8/23/2015 8:47:03 PM
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The bible supports slavery, discrimination against non-Christians, women and homosexuals. We have good reason to oppose religion.
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Because if you're a Christian you MUST follow the bible down to the very letter.
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Which is why it's dangerous.
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I was being sarcastic.
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It's still pretty true though.
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But it's true
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Edited by ShortbusRegular: 8/23/2015 9:20:02 PMNot in the slightest. Are you saying my church ( which donates HUGE sums of money to LGBT holeles shelters) is not Christian and is dangerous?
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And it's great that your church is socially progressive, but the problem with liberal religious people sadly, is that it's illogical to pick what to believe in the bible and what not to believe, because if the bible came from God or followers of God, then everything in it must in theory, be true so it's either all true or none of it's true. You see the dilemma at hand? I mean no disrespect towards you FYI.
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My church takes things from the bible VERY metaphorically.
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I get it but read my post.
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We understand that men made the bible and being men they are flawed and may have gotten some things wrong. Ever play the game telephone? It's kinda like that. So the bible is basically guidelines that you can more or less do what you want with in regards to following rules.
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If gods all-powerful I'm sure he can send some humans a clear message.
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[i]have you ever played the game telephone[/i]
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If someone writes something and you choose to follow those writings then you must follow all of them.
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Exactly.
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Agreed
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Agreed
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And Do you have a basic knowledge of the bibble?
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Then you would know the Old Testamento is more or less of the Jewish Torah. Because slavery was around during 1776ish to 1865 America is a terrible country?
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America is a bad country for many reasons, but not that. Like I said, you can't pick and choose what to believe in the bible. You either believe it all or don't believe it at all. It simply doesn't make sense to believe in Noah's Ark, but not creation or believing in Jesus but not God.
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Edited by GR0MS: 8/23/2015 8:50:09 PMThank you for proving the op. A bunch of baseless assertions.
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Edited by LiamCDM: 8/23/2015 8:58:34 PMBaseless? [spoiler] 1. John 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. 2. Timothy 2:12 “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” 3. Samuel 1:26 "I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother; dear and delightful you were to me; your love for me was wonderful, surpassing the love of women." The bible is full of intolerant opinions and most of the intolerance in the world comes from religious people. Of course not all Christians/Jews/Muslims are bad, but the faith itself promotes a lot of ignorance. [/spoiler]
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Edited by GR0MS: 8/23/2015 9:36:58 PMIf someone is a non believer, we proclaim the gospel to them and love them. We don't discriminate. If they reject Jesus, though, they will go to hell for their sin. Homosexuality is a sin, but we love them, and proclaim the gospel to them. The verse in Timothy is specifically talking about women having authority over men in a church. Women are more persuasive than men, so if a female church leader falls into a false teaching, she could more easily persuade the men and the whole church into that teaching. It's a safeguard to the true gospel. And as far as slavery in ancient Israel, it was completely different than the American south slavery. There are a myriad of rules as to how slaves can be treated. And Jesus even states that there are things in the mosaic law that weren't God's original intent, but that he allowed because of the hardness of the peoples hearts. He knew trying to outright ban a practice that was deeply imbedded in the culture wouldn't work. It's like telling horny teenagers that they're only option it abstinence. It's definitely the best option for preventing pregnancy and stds, but they aren't going to listen. So, we teach them about birth control and set reasonable boundaries.
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You are reading it way too literally
