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Edited by Lost Sols:
7/22/2015 10:03:26 PM
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I have agreed with you on a hundred posts and we've fought Bungie on matchmaking for a couple months now, but I cannot condone or accept this post.
1) Achronos wasn't being disrespectful, he was being humorous. There's a difference between poking a little fun at someone you're directly replying to and going onto a forum and accusing someone who isn't in the thread of cheating.
2) You can't name and shame because it is defamation.
[quote]de·fame
\di-ˈfām, dē-\verb
: to hurt the reputation of (someone or something) especially by saying things that are false or unfair
Full Definition
de·famedde·fam·ing
transitive verb
1
archaic :disgrace
2
:to harm the reputation of by libel or slander
3
archaic :accuse
— de·fam·er noun
Examples
He says he was defamed by reports that falsely identified him as a former gangster.<of course I want to win the election, but I refuse to defame my opponent in order to do so
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3) For all the people saying stupid shit like Achronos named and shamed the op of that thread or ninjas name and shame by removing nasty posts...
[b]Telling someone they're wrong isn't defamation. Telling the world someone did something wrong without proof is.[/b]
Videos of people lagging don't prove they're cheating as much as you might think it.
And as far as videos go, you can 100% put up videos of people you think are cheating, what you can't do is name them in the post and call them cheaters.
The fact is that all the people that others want to say are lag switching, etc probably just have a shitty internet connection going. It happens and yeah it sucks playing them, but the real problem is Bungie not ponying up for dedicated servers.
If your interpretation of defamation is correct then if you put up 40 kills sniping and headshot me 15 times in a game, I can put up a video and call you a cheater.
Did you cheat? Probably not, but YOU'RE A CHEATER!
4) For f**ks sake people, Achronos is literally the only Bungie employee willing to actually discuss shit with the community and you treat him like this?
I'm all for holding Bungie to a high standard, but there need to be rules in place in life and boundaries. I've poked at DeeJ and called him out on numerous occasions, but that's because I don't believe he's doing enough for or with this community and that's supposed to be his job.
All this Achronos hate is taking shit too far. I'd like to hear anyone tell me how he disrespected the op in that thread.
Forums have boundaries and they have rules. Naming and shaming is about as clearcut as they get.
Achronos deserves an apology from this community.
Edit: If anyone think people are cheating, report them in game, that's what the function is there for.
The forums are not for calling everyone who kills us with Thorn a cheater.
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hey Sols :) like the reply! the only reason i made a thread on the topic was because it intrigued me a little, when scrolling the forums, to give my two scents. i was not necessarily putting Achronos on Blast. probably should not have put that first sentence. in fact it has nothing to do with him personally or as an employee. it has to do with the no naming and shaming comment he gave. with that being said i was just pointing out to the community that you have the right to share information about cheaters it is just how we go about it that needs caution. :) i would like to understand this topic more clearly. i have gone over the code of conduct and terms of use. If i read correctly....let me stop there lol i re-read it and then i read what you quoted and then i payed close attention to the words "Especially by Saying" (Face palm, lol) i thought it meant to hurt the reputation of someone by slander not Especially by saying Slander... thanks for the feedback Sols! :D as for everything else you said about Achronos i have to say, in no way was i taking a jab at him personally or as an employee of Bungie i was just focusing on the information. this was not the thread i was i talking about in our last chat :)
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Edited by unspoken threats: 7/22/2015 10:51:00 PMhere's how he was unprofessional and took his response too far (and I'll paraphrase quotes) since you requested such: "...we follow Bungies code of conduct, not MattP14's." if you removed "not MattP14's policy" is his point not made? does that have ANY affect on the message he delivered? absolutely not. it should have remained nothing more than "we follow Bungies code of conduct". by adding and personalizing Matts user name he took a jab at the attempt Matt made to dissect the language within the agreement which isn't as transparent as it ought to be. to add further to the firestorm he said Matt bent the language to his will. whether he did or didn't (a judge could tell us better than any community member) it was, again, completely unnecessary to chirp about. the proper response: "sorry to hear of your frustrations with potentially dishonest players. because we have no unequivocal proof based on your video we must follow Bungie's code of conduct which strictly prohibits it's dissemination within the confines of this application. at current, posting videos is non-compliant to our agreement in both the ToU and CoC. we will investigate the possible lack-of-transparency and amend the language in accordance if we deem it insufficient or ambiguous. thank you for your concern." you're already in hot water over luke smiths douche-baggery; now we have to get it from the app designer? he [i]did not[/i] exemplify professionalism in any degree of the word. lemme ask you...if you were a bungie employee is that how you would've responded? I doubt it; therefore, you could probably muster your own reasons why it was an ill-conceived response.
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Edited by Lost Sols: 7/22/2015 11:17:48 PM[quote]here's how he was unprofessional and took his response too far (and I'll paraphrase quotes) since you requested such: "...we follow Bungies code of conduct, not MattP14's." if you removed "not MattP14's policy" is his point not made? does that have ANY affect on the message he delivered? absolutely not. it should have remained nothing more than "we follow Bungies code of conduct".[/quote] I'm sorry, but that's pretty tame. So what if he used his gt? He's replying to him. Could he have substituted "ours" and "yours"? I suppose, but I don't see what difference it makes. He made a point and if that comment hurt the op's feelings, he's in for a rough life. [quote]by adding and personalizing Matts user name he took a jab at the attempt Matt made to dissect the language within the agreement which isn't as transparent as it ought to be.[/quote] He used the op's name. He was replying to the op. [quote]to add further to the firestorm he said Matt bent the language to his will.[/quote] That's his opinion, it's a forum where we all give opinions. Achronos is entitled to his as well and seriously? Firestorm? We've bantered back and forth and it's always been positive, but you cannot tell me that you honestly believe that was hurtful. [quote]whether he did or didn't (a judge could tell us better than any community member) it was, again, completely unnecessary to chirp about. .[/quote] What was completely unnecessary was the op's completely stupid and wrong post in which he tried to bend the wording of the code of conduct to his own. You can't go onto a forum and name and shame. If he can't accept it, he needs to gtfoff the forums. If I go on a 15 kill streak or I melee a Bladedancer using Arcblade and kill them, I know I don't want them posting videos calling me a cheater or making posts about me being one. Videos can show sketchy gameplay, but unless it's showing people throwing rockets like grenades like modders used to do in Halo, they're not proving anything.
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the video in question was a player DANCING in the control point during the 10 second countdown while being completely impenetrable. I suppose you have a defense as to why that's not cheating. I'd love to hear it. seriously...enlighten me. the fact is achronos used, extensively, poor verbiage to relay his message. he doesn't get an apology for being an idiot (not am I defending Matt). he could've made a well thought out post that [i]eliminated the possibility[/i] of being offensive. we can agree on that I'm sure. again, why does he need an apology if he should've approached the situation differently?
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I've seen that video, it's been around for months and the post I saw it in had hundreds of comments and was still up. What they didn't do in the post was name the person. Without having seen the post that came down, I can't tell you if it was justified or not. But if they said [redacted] is cheating, then it had to come down. Btw, in regards to that video... The player dances while they cap and they run off while being shot at. At no point do they fire back or make any movement that would show they could see the other player on their screen. It's entirely possible that the server connection was so shitty that on their end, they were all alone capping. I would not say that 100% proved they were cheating, but it did prove 100% the servers are a joke. We will have to agree to disagree on how inappropriate Achronos comment was, because I loved it and thought it was refreshing to get an actual opinion and not the bullshit corporate speak we normally get from Bungie.
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the video showed the culprit sitting in the control point in one instant. the accuser, Matt, moved his body out of it then the culprit walked back in. he didn't even look confused, never followed his teammates anywhere, as you said, never shot. what he did was throw a nova bomb and grenades upon countdown. if your defense is that for five rounds straight he went to the control point and was ghosted out and was attacking when necessary but was blind to his environment that's flawed as hell. I have very non-judgmental eyes and a pure heart. there is no -blam!-ing way any of that was unintentional. I've seen videos where I've disagreed about the potential cheats. this is not one.
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Edited by Lost Sols: 7/23/2015 12:01:03 AMMaybe a different video then. One I saw was on Blind Watch, where was the one you saw? Either way, did the op name them in his post or title? If not, it 100% shouldn't have come down. If he did, he broke the code and has no one to blame but himself.
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http://youtu.be/p_n3Y0epMRk Educate yourself. There is lag switching and it is easy to identify(the link will show you exactly what it looks like). I'm not going to argue, I'm going to make a completely factual statement: IF YOU ARE LAGGING YOU WILL NOT BE, IN ANY WAY, AT AN ADVANTAGE. I REPEAT, IF YOU ARE LAGGING YOU WILL NOT BE, IN ANY WAY, AT AN ADVANTAGE. If a player has the advantage, which they usually do, in the many videos with evidence against these players, they are switching, hands down. I have played trials on more than one occasion with players who admitted doing it... there needs to be a higher priority when it comes to eliminating these types of players from the game completely, I'm not talking about temporary ban, I'm talking about an old-school IP ban. Meanwhile, Bungie bans the players who quit and eliminated their losses for trials by changing characters, a completely harmless action(because it may have benefited another player's progression). Out of all the things you relentlessly complain about, and you come to Bungie's aid on one of the game's most pressing issues.... If evidence is provided, it should be our right to see the names of these players and block them to prevent ourselves from being victimized. If it's hear-say... That's another story.
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bungie needs to nerf their humor.
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Bump. I love this reply.
