You're confusing "Day One" player with "Day one I don't have a life until I do everything there is to do in the game 5 times". Max grimiore- No thanks. Mine is high (3300) but not maxed. Vault of Glass- Have all the weapons, but only because I believe VoG weapons are the best in the game. I know how to run Relic, because I enjoy running VoG. Crota- Have all the weapons, but don't know how to run sword. This is because I don't like Crota. It's a poorly constructed raid. I have no interest in flawless raider, I just play for fun. In short, there are day one players who have a life and play the game for fun.